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  • ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY
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    ICEY Observation..........

    June 2, 2006: Chad Dawson W12 Eric Harding tonight. Boxing is what it is and tonight the cycle continued on as usual. Usually, but not always, an old lion will eventually be eaten by a young lion and this match was just another example of that. On the one hand it was obvious to me as early as the second round that this was not the Eric that defeated Tarver and gave Roy Jones such a tough fight back in 2000. His punches were much slower than they ever have been and his attitude, his usual "machismo" and confident demeanor he showed in his prime seemed to have been dulled with age. I am a very firm believer that you can tell a lot about a man, especially a professional fighter, from his demeanor and his attitude and the feelings and aura that he gives (or doesn't give) off and to me, as early as round two, I saw things in Eric (that are hard to explain in writing) that made me think that was not going to be his night. And it wasn't.

    On the other hand, though, Chad proved himself tonight as a very legit contender if not a future world champion at 175 pounds. He was fluid, calm, confident and, when he let his hands go, he was very sharp and accurate. Chad has some Roy Jones-like qualities and other than Tarver, based on tonight, I don't know who beats him right now at light heavyweight. Tonight was actually the first time I really watched Chad fight as a pro other than the fights I trained him for and its a different view from when you are training a guy and looking at his fight with the intention of watching to see what to tell him after that round is over. Watching him now, just as an observer, it is very apparent that despite the point in Eric's career that Chad beat him (it was very obvious that Eric is not the guy that fought Tarver and Jones six years ago) he is a very serious and legitimate contender for the world light heavyweight title. His, confidence and punch output and the sharpness and precision of his punches at 175 pounds (the weight he should have been at for some time now) are good enough right now I believe to win a world title.
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    Iceman, I was just wondering what do you think of the whole Castillo situation.

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      Originally posted by ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY
      June 2, 2006: Chad Dawson W12 Eric Harding tonight. Boxing is what it is and tonight the cycle continued on as usual. Usually, but not always, an old lion will eventually be eaten by a young lion and this match was just another example of that. On the one hand it was obvious to me as early as the second round that this was not the Eric that defeated Tarver and gave Roy Jones such a tough fight back in 2000. His punches were much slower than they ever have been and his attitude, his usual "machismo" and confident demeanor he showed in his prime seemed to have been dulled with age. I am a very firm believer that you can tell a lot about a man, especially a professional fighter, from his demeanor and his attitude and the feelings and aura that he gives (or doesn't give) off and to me, as early as round two, I saw things in Eric (that are hard to explain in writing) that made me think that was not going to be his night. And it wasn't.

      On the other hand, though, Chad proved himself tonight as a very legit contender if not a future world champion at 175 pounds. He was fluid, calm, confident and, when he let his hands go, he was very sharp and accurate. Chad has some Roy Jones-like qualities and other than Tarver, based on tonight, I don't know who beats him right now at light heavyweight. Tonight was actually the first time I really watched Chad fight as a pro other than the fights I trained him for and its a different view from when you are training a guy and looking at his fight with the intention of watching to see what to tell him after that round is over. Watching him now, just as an observer, it is very apparent that despite the point in Eric's career that Chad beat him (it was very obvious that Eric is not the guy that fought Tarver and Jones six years ago) he is a very serious and legitimate contender for the world light heavyweight title. His, confidence and punch output and the sharpness and precision of his punches at 175 pounds (the weight he should have been at for some time now) are good enough right now I believe to win a world title.
      I remember seeing you fight. I'm surprised you can still talk man. Havent you ever heard the Kenny Rogers song?

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      • THE REAL NINJA
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        i've always had that feeling about Harding, he's good but somthing is missing . seems like a good guy thw

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        • ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY
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          Enadeus.. As far as Castillo... I dont know all the details but I am sure of two things.. 1 is that he had a pretty good idea he wasnt going to make weight and 2 is that he likely struggled badly with the weight just so that he could even get as low as he did... money called him for to attempt it.... he probably sweated a lot that same day and just hoped he would step on the scale and would make it or that they would allow him some weigfht or that he would be able to give up a bit of his purse or something. Let me say this much and I know from (bad) experiences..making weight is A TERRIBLE MENTAL AND PHYSICAL GRIND

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            Originally posted by ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY
            Enadeus.. As far as Castillo... I dont know all the details but I am sure of two things.. 1 is that he had a pretty good idea he wasnt going to make weight and 2 is that he likely struggled badly with the weight just so that he could even get as low as he did... money called him for to attempt it.... he probably sweated a lot that same day and just hoped he would step on the scale and would make it or that they would allow him some weigfht or that he would be able to give up a bit of his purse or something. Let me say this much and I know from (bad) experiences..making weight is A TERRIBLE MENTAL AND PHYSICAL GRIND

            what would you have done?

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            • ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY
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              well, its easy to say no what i would do in a situation but when u are a fighter and u are trained and the fight is there and the moment is soon to come.. you do what you have todo and you often do things that under normal circumstances you would NEVER DO. I think back now to someof the INSANE things i did to make weight for fights and i think of fights I went into against better judgement and I really have no idea why or how I could have made such decisions

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                Originally posted by ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY
                well, its easy to say no what i would do in a situation but when u are a fighter and u are trained and the fight is there and the moment is soon to come.. you do what you have todo and you often do things that under normal circumstances you would NEVER DO. I think back now to someof the INSANE things i did to make weight for fights and i think of fights I went into against better judgement and I really have no idea why or how I could have made such decisions
                so you are saying the warrior in you would have allowed you to fight


                see, i think corrales may have wanted to fight, as i have heard from his team which supposedly didn't allow him to fight. but, it just seems like if people want to blame anybody well, the blame can spread here and there, no one is totally 100 hundred percent at fault here

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                • ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY
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                  Oh, I very seriously believe if it was up to Corrales the fight woul dhave came off. I can remember as a light heavyweight I took an over the weight fight and the weight was 185. I came in very light, only 177 pounds and I was very excited because I figure dmy speed, condition etc would be the difference.... so I get to the weigh in and the guy comes in at 198 pounds!!! But he is still rock solid (he officially stayed at/moved up to cruiserweight right after our fight). The commissioner originally called the fight off because of the 21 pound difference between us... I BEGGED him to let the fight go and after some time he finally let it go. I ended up losing a decision... the day of the fight I was probably still 177, maybe 179 (I didn't have to suck weight) and the guy I fought looked to be about 212 or so. I went through with the fight because I am a fighter, thats what I do and at the timein my career I had no manager or promoter to step in and make the proper move on my behalf. If you leave it to the boxer the fight will ALWAYS go on.

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                  • enadeus
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                    Thanks for your analysis. Much better hearing it from a former fighter than from a bunch of idiots on this forum.

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