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  • #11
    Today's records are carefully crafted. In the future they can be crafted even more carefully.

    In yesteryear boxing fans were not at all concerned with record breaking. They wanted face breaking, so that is what they got. Today's puny fan is impressed by every record mentioned, even if the category is a new made up one.

    Mayweather saw a loudmouth who cannot box begging him to break a record and earn a couple of hundred million dollars. Even Marciano might have been tempted out of retirement to face an opponent who had never fought in a pair of shoes before.

    Mayweather's ledger is heavily crafted. That is one reason I have never respected him as an ATG. He has millions of fans who mainly adore his punkism because they are brainless punks themselves. They do not follow boxing, except for record breaking fights, and believe they have seen it all in their idol.

    What I saw in their idol was him facing the scrub likes of Baldomir for a trinket at the neglect of men with far more scary reputations. If you really want to be that statue outside the hall of fame, then you take on scary opponents when they are still considered scary. You do not wait seven years for Pacquiao to fade before you consent to fight him, if you want to be that statue. This same delaying tactic is plainly evident in many of his so called biggest wins.

    The only Hall of Fame he will be the outside statue for is one he decides to build with his own money. He had the necessary tools. That does not matter. You also have to proceed down the line like TBE if you want to be thought of as that by aficionados.

    Because it was another dead encounter, people will soon forget it and stop talking about it. It is no impediment at all to interest in GGG/Canelo, as it turns out.

    As for McGregor, he shot off his lips and could not back it up. Even in winning the first three rounds (which he obviously did, despite the scores of judges intent on protecting boxing from an invader), MGregor was unimpressive and a fraud, in my opinion, who should now be hounded out if Ireland.

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    • #12
      Originally posted by The Old LefHook View Post
      Today's records are carefully crafted. In the future they can be crafted even more carefully.

      In yesteryear boxing fans were not at all concerned with record breaking. They wanted face breaking, so that is what they got. Today's puny fan is impressed by every record mentioned, even if the category is a new made up one.

      Mayweather saw a loudmouth who cannot box begging him to break a record and earn a couple of hundred million dollars. Even Marciano might have been tempted out of retirement to face an opponent who had never fought in a pair of shoes before.

      Mayweather's ledger is heavily crafted. That is one reason I have never respected him as an ATG. He has millions of fans who mainly adore his punkism because they are brainless punks themselves. They do not follow boxing, except for record breaking fights, and believe they have seen it all in their idol.

      What I saw in their idol was him facing the scrub likes of Baldomir for a trinket at the neglect of men with far more scary reputations. If you really want to be that statue outside the hall of fame, then you take on scary opponents when they are still considered scary. You do not wait seven years for Pacquiao to fade before you consent to fight him, if you want to be that statue. This same delaying tactic is plainly evident in many of his so called biggest wins.

      The only Hall of Fame he will be the outside statue for is one he decides to build with his own money. He had the necessary tools. That does not matter. You also have to proceed down the line like TBE if you want to be thought of as that by aficionados.

      Because it was another dead encounter, people will soon forget it and stop talking about it. It is no impediment at all to interest in GGG/Canelo, as it turns out.

      As for McGregor, he shot off his lips and could not back it up. Even in winning the first three rounds (which he obviously did, despite the scores of judges intent on protecting boxing from an invader), MGregor was unimpressive and a fraud, in my opinion, who should now be hounded out if Ireland.
      Blame television (all of it from networks to PPV) for the "puny fan" - they have made "undefeated" the 'golden cafe' worshiped by the American sports fan.

      We have been indoctrinated to believe it is important; the definitive sign of greatness.

      In my opinion coming back from adversity is a better sign of greatness than being undefeated. Would we today really marvel at SRR's perfect left hook if Gene Fullmer hadn't beaten him previously?

      P.S. American Football uses it best; they get to restart fresh every season "the run for the dream." (The funny thing is the NFL is better served by teams coming close but not making it.)

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      • #13
        shame 50 was vs some 0-0;0 guy

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        • #14
          Originally posted by Dempsey-Louis View Post
          Blame television (all of it from networks to PPV) for the "puny fan" - they have made "undefeated" the 'golden cafe' worshiped by the American sports fan.

          We have been indoctrinated to believe it is important; the definitive sign of greatness.

          In my opinion coming back from adversity is a better sign of greatness than being undefeated. Would we today really marvel at SRR's perfect left hook if Gene Fullmer hadn't beaten him previously?

          P.S. American Football uses it best; they get to restart fresh every season "the run for the dream." (The funny thing is the NFL is better served by teams coming close but not making it.)
          It's all a marketing tool. They have people believing that a loss diminishes a top flight boxer but we all know that isn't the case. World class fighters who routinely fight others will sometimes catch an L. It's just the way it is. However, the promoters have the public believing otherwise and public perception is what sells the fight.
          Last edited by Hawkins; 08-27-2017, 11:03 PM.

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          • #15
            The record will be broken, but whoever does it will not earn nearly as much money. There will not be another "smoke and mirrors" PPV star who dupes the casuals into believing his hyped up C-rate opponents will be competitive. There won't be any more $200M guaranteed SHO or HBO contracts that allow you to cherry-pick your own opponents. Promoters will no longer be able to sell fights that showcase a prime elite versus an elite who is long past their prime or not there yet. Fans will no longer be duped into waiting 5+ years for a fight that gets made well past it's expiration date.

            The 50-0 is a number that means something to casual fans. Somehow, undefeated translates to unbeatable in the minds of the fans who know little to nothing about the sport itself. Eventually someone will surpass that record, it's been done before...JCC won over 80 fights before suffering his first loss. Whoever breaks the record will need to do so in the glamour divisions and do it while defeating prime elites if they want to stand out as a worthy successor.

            Right now, Terrance Crawford, Deontay Wilder and Mikey Garcia all have the potential to break 50-0, but they will need to orchestrate their careers in such a way that they can leverage an advantage against their opponents the way Floyd did, be it weight, age, skill level, or home field advatnage, etc. There is also the subject of PED use, which Floyd is suspect, regardless of what his hardcore fans have to say.

            Soon enough boxing will be able to wash away the stink that Mayweather left behind. Hopefully the Canelo/GGG fight will be a move in that direction.

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            • #16
              Originally posted by Hawkins View Post
              That's not a loss, genius.
              No genius, but it's a blemish, and thus does not count

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              • #17
                Originally posted by GhostofDempsey View Post
                The record will be broken, but whoever does it will not earn nearly as much money. There will not be another "smoke and mirrors" PPV star who dupes the casuals into believing his hyped up C-rate opponents will be competitive. There won't be any more $200M guaranteed SHO or HBO contracts that allow you to cherry-pick your own opponents. Promoters will no longer be able to sell fights that showcase a prime elite versus an elite who is long past their prime or not there yet. Fans will no longer be duped into waiting 5+ years for a fight that gets made well past it's expiration date.

                The 50-0 is a number that means something to casual fans. Somehow, undefeated translates to unbeatable in the minds of the fans who know little to nothing about the sport itself. Eventually someone will surpass that record, it's been done before...JCC won over 80 fights before suffering his first loss. Whoever breaks the record will need to do so in the glamour divisions and do it while defeating prime elites if they want to stand out as a worthy successor.

                Right now, Terrance Crawford, Deontay Wilder and Mikey Garcia all have the potential to break 50-0, but they will need to orchestrate their careers in such a way that they can leverage an advantage against their opponents the way Floyd did, be it weight, age, skill level, or home field advatnage, etc. There is also the subject of PED use, which Floyd is suspect, regardless of what his hardcore fans have to say.

                Soon enough boxing will be able to wash away the stink that Mayweather left behind. Hopefully the Canelo/GGG fight will be a move in that direction.
                Full of hate aren't you? Your posts always show your jealousy

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by Metho_4u View Post
                  Full of hate aren't you? Your posts always show your jealousy
                  Jealous of what, mediocrity? No sir, there's plenty of that to go around.

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                  • #19
                    Menayothin got to 48 over the weekend http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/383177

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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by ShoulderRoll View Post
                      To finish a Hall of Fame worthy career undefeated and untied is quite an accomplishment.

                      Some unknown Thai fghter breaking the record against unremarkable opposition wouldn't really have the same gravitas, would it?
                      Idk why it has so much gravitas now except for white & black guys feeling their whiteness or blackness too much it seems much of the time.

                      There are plenty of boxing stats to hype (unbeaten streak, KO streak, KO1 streak, most wins, most belts, most title defenses, most belts in different weight divisions) that one could argue is equally as impressive or moreso but somehow one of the only things that matters the most in the boxing stat department is 49-0 & now 50-0 to wayyyyy to many mfers.

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