MONZON AND HAGLER ; Why Did They Never Move up ?

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  • neverlast
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    MONZON AND HAGLER ; Why Did They Never Move up ?

    MONZON AND HAGLER ; Why Did They Never Move up ?






    By Jim Amato

    The middleweight division is second only to the heavyweights in
    glamour
    and prestige. "The Nonpareil" Jack Dempsey, Ketchel, Greb, Walker,
    Zale,
    Robinson, and Basilio have all graced this legendary division. Two
    boxers who have been elevated to the mantle of greatness in this class
    were Carlos Monzon and Marvin Hagler yet each boxer had failed
    to do the one thing that may have cemented their ultimate link with
    the Gods
    of boxing. It also denied the fans of the two potentially exciting
    battles.

    Greb, Walker, Zale, Robinson, Basilio, Tiger and Griffith all stepped
    out
    of their natural weight classes to cross gloves with larger men for
    and
    glory. Greb had Tunney, Ketchel had Johnson, Walker had Sharkey and
    Schmeling, Zale had Conn, Robinson had Maxim, Basilio moved up to
    fight
    Robnson and Gene Fullmer and Griffith also moved up from welterweight
    to
    meet Tiger and **** would eventually capture the light heavyweight
    crown
    from the great Jose Torres.

    Why then did Monzon and Hagler elect not to challenge their
    heavier contemporaries? A 1973 version of Bob Foster was not the kayo
    machine of the late 60's. Instead of meeting Griffith, Briscoe and
    Bouttier
    in re-runs, why not challenge Foster? Carlos was more than willing to
    entertain the challenge of the "smaller" Jose Napoles.

    Michael Spinks wanted to fight Hagler. He even challenged Marvin in a
    couple of boxing publications. Still Marvin found it easier and very
    profitable to take on the likes of Duran, Hearns and Leonard. Remember
    Foster and Spinks moved up in to the land of the heavyweights.

    The three ex-welterweight kings provided Hagler with prime time
    exposure
    and mega-paydays. He probably would have fought Benitez too if Wilfred
    would
    have defeated Hamsho. It's too bad we weren't given the opportunity to
    witness Foster-Monzon and Spinks-Hagler. To Hopkins credit he has
    decided to move up and call out Antonio Tarver. Do I think he will win ?
    No...but he will do what Monzon and Hagler failed to attempt.

    Great fighters make great fights. Foster-Monzon and M.Spinks-Hagler
    may have been classics. Too bad for us fans, we'll never know.
  • Violent Demise
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    For what? They were the champions. They knew people would come looking for them. They didn't have to go look for people.

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    • Smokin'
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      Because besides HW, Middleweight has always been the most respectable weight division in boxing. The guys are just big enough where they don't look like small fries, and they're fast enough to be 'flashy' fighters.

      Monzon also would of had to move up to 175. Would of had to fight Bob Foster and such. That wouldn't of been pretty. That's probably why he never moved up.

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      • Yogi
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        A fight between John Conteh & Monzon for the WBC light heavyweight title was in the works during 1975, and just about came off...

        The agreement between the two parties for the fight was in place and everything (for London), but the only reason it didn't take place was because the EBU wouldn't allow it to happen because of Monzon refusing to take a piss test after his fight with Napoles in Paris. They fined Monzon 10,000 pounds after refusing to do that, and when Monzon refused to pay & the EBU refused to lift it upon Carlos' request, the Conteh/Monzon deal was scratched and never was to happen.

        *Edit: Had to add the "test" to Monzon taking a piss.
        Last edited by Yogi; 06-02-2006, 10:54 PM.

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        • mECHsLAVE
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          Why should they have? If you can make the weight, then be there.

          Hopkins is only moving up because Taylor ran him out of the division and Tarver will fight anybody who is a name and can make him $$.

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          • JuicyJuice
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            #6
            Originally posted by Yogi
            A fight between John Conteh & Monzon for the WBC light heavyweight title was in the works during 1975, and just about came off...

            The agreement between the two parties for the fight was in place and everything (for London), but the only reason it didn't take place was because the EBU wouldn't allow it to happen because of Monzon refusing to take a piss test after his fight with Napoles in Paris. They fined Monzon 10,000 pounds after refusing to do that, and when Monzon refused to pay & the EBU refused to lift it upon Carlos' request, the Conteh/Monzon deal was scratched and never was to happen.

            *Edit: Had to add the "test" to Monzon taking a piss.
            What has the EBU got to do with it??

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              Originally posted by mECHsLAVE
              Why should they have? If you can make the weight, then be there.

              Hopkins is only moving up because Taylor ran him out of the division and Tarver will fight anybody who is a name and can make him $$.
              Calzaghe/Hopkins was ON, with Hopkins agreeing a deal where he'd be paid $3million. The nexy day, he rings up and demands $6million or no fight.

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              • Yogi
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                #8
                Originally posted by JuicyJuice
                What has the EBU got to do with it??
                I don't know, maybe it has something to do with this brief comment written by famous British writer and HOF'er, Harry Mullan;

                "The European Boxing Union was formed in 1948 and allied itself with New York and Britain."

                Meaning, the BBBC seemed to have honored the EBU's wishes in not allowing the fight to take place until the fine was paid by Monzon...which it never was.

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                • grayfist
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                  Originally posted by Yogi
                  I don't know, maybe it has something to do with this brief comment written by famous British writer and HOF'er, Harry Mullan;

                  "The European Boxing Union was formed in 1948 and allied itself with New York and Britain."

                  Meaning, the BBBC seemed to have honored the EBU's wishes in not allowing the fight to take place until the fine was paid by Monzon...which it never was.
                  But didn't Monzon fight again in Paris in December 1975? Against Gratien Tona? Only the WBA belt was at stake against Tona as Monzon had been stripped (following the Napoles fight) by the WBC for failing to defend against Rodrigo Valdez.

                  Valdez met Benny Briscoe for the vacant WBC title and won, then lost it to Monzon after four successful defenses that included one against Tona. Valdez and Monzon met twice in Monte Carlo before Escopeta called it a career.

                  A decade later Monzon found himself behind bars, convicted and sentenced to 11 years for pushing his girlfriend off a balcony to her death.
                  Last edited by grayfist; 06-02-2006, 11:48 PM.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by JuicyJuice
                    Calzaghe/Hopkins was ON, with Hopkins agreeing a deal where he'd be paid $3million. The nexy day, he rings up and demands $6million or no fight.
                    Doesn't surprise me if it's true. Hopkins is a tool, and Calzaghe is a stylistic nightmare for him. Always was. Joe can fight inside or outside, throw and insane number of power punches every round, and wouldn't let Hopkins just sit and dictate the pace. Hopkins was smart to hold onto whatever titles he could get at 160, and wait on the smaller guys to try and move up for a shot at a middleweight title, which as someone already said has always been far more glorified than welter or jr middle. He played the Golden Boy lottery and hit big.

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