"We gave Showtime all the Malignaggi sparring footage but they didn't use it because"

[paulf]

From a video I watched earlier it sounds like Dana intends/has no problem releasing the full video once the fight is over (I really don't get why anyone would expect them to release that much footage BEFORE the Floyd fight to f#ck up their element of surprise with how Conor fights in the ring) so we will find out who's bsing or not soon enough.

I also heard Paulie on Big Brown Breakdown today seemingly conspiracy theorying by suggesting that the real reason they don't intend to release the 12 rounds is cuz they are editing the first session of sparring with the second session of sparring to make it look less one sided lol.

Paulie is my guy, but he's sounding more insane the more he talks about these sparring sessions. I think its extremely likely these 20 rounds & even the 12 rounds the last time were competitive or one would likely feel Conor "won" the two sparring sessions but Paulie is embarrassed about it. Honestly its kinda shocking to me either way as I expected a guy like Paulie, who's respectable & is probably a top 20ish, top 30ish guy if he wasn't retired today, even out of shape, to not allow a 0-0 guy to be competitive with him. So for me I feel like Conor has been vastly underrated as a boxer or top 20ish, top 30ish isn't as good as I would've thought if a 0-0 guy can be competitive with someone so high up in rankings & more skilled than 98%+ of pro boxers.

I agree that Paulie is on some next level damage control. Its the same as his endless ramblings about Pacquiao based on nothing. Pac came up from a low weight and crushed the two dudes that beat Paulies ass (Hatton and Cotto) and Paulie's ego couldn't handle it.

Why would Paulie do well in sparring against Connor? Or any decent fighter at this point?

-SHOT. Dude has been shot since the second Diaz fight. Zero snap on the jab and flat footed for almost a decade. He beat Senchenko with grit, ring IQ, and a little luck.
-Easy to hit. Paulie never had the power to keep 'em honest, and while he has a high ring IQ, he didn't have the physical tools to use them to their full potential. When he stepped up, he lost. Pablo Cano boxed circles around the guy. So did Herman Ngoudjo. He didn't win a minute of any round against Sam Eggington.
-Out of shape, so in that sparring he was going to be worse than we've ever seen him.

Before the whole Pacquiao obsession, Paulie was one of my favorite fighters. He's a brilliant guy when it comes to boxing, but Connor is a young, in shape fighter in his prime who wouldn't be bothered in the slightest by anything Paulie does. I expected him to bully Paulie.

[PhillyPhlash]

Dana White is scum and just as big of a liar as Arum, King etc.

I agree. White is scum and as shady as they come. The one thing Paulie told the truth about in this whole thing "He robs his fighters."

Dana White=The white Don King.

[Eff Pandas]

Why would Paulie do well in sparring against Connor? Or any decent fighter at this point?

I think a top 20ish, top 30ish guy, as I suggest Paulie would be today if he was active, would have more for a 0-0 guy than a 0-0 guy would have for him. Nor would it be THAT competitive. I'd assume Paulie to own him earlier, out of shape or nah, & I'd except his gas tank to be better at all times.

If thats not what went down I'm either overestimating what a late 30's, 40 something fights, 16yr boxing career boxer can do vs a athlete who's done little boxing or underestimating what a athlete who's done little boxing can do vs a late 30's, 40 something fight 16yr boxing career boxer. Cuz while I expected more friendly work together on specific things sparring between them my assumption would be that Paulie "wins" any 100% sparring they would do against each other & do so without many competitive rounds with all the knowledge Paulie has in his arsenal.

I mean I'm a guy who thinks MMA beats boxing all day all things equal & goes against a lot of boxing fans here who believe the latter, but I've never thought a high level pro boxer would get owned (as what may have happened in this sparring if we believe Dana & Conor) by a MMA guy in boxing unless it was some HW vs HW power vs power type situation where whoever has the bigger power could win the day or something along those lines at least.

[Eff Pandas]

Both guys are shyt, Paulie would school his ass in an actual boxing fight where Paulie had been in camp as long as MacGruber has been. End of story/

Shouldn't Paulie be owning him in sparring to doe? Paulie hasn't fought in like 5mos, but he doesn't really look all that out of shape like he Bronered up since the Eggington L or anything.

And I get the in camp thing, but this is a 0-0 in camp guy vs a 19 years worth of amateur & pro experience boxer who, while people love to diss Paulie, wasn't a un-notable presence winning titles in 2 divisions & who's lost 7 or his 8 times to champions (& maybe that'll even be all 8 if Egginton can catch a title as he's still young in his career)?

[Schmerzen]

i hope at least pauli is getting paid a lot of money for this, he has no credibility anymore. no boxing fan will ever respect this clown again

[Eff Pandas]

I'm not sure what's so hard to understand.

I don't think he should release the footage i am merely pointing out the contraction he is making.

Dana sent showtime the sparring footage to use on all access but they choose not to use it.

He didn't send Showtime ALL the footage. He says he sent a "ton of footage" which as a guy who speaks fluent Dana probably means about 2 minutes worth of highlights max with the stuff we've seen being part of it.

why isn't he happy to just put the footage out himself? You can't say because they don't want to give away anything hes been working on because he was happy for showtime to show the footage.

If its 2mins of footage what exactly is that gonna prove that people aren't debating now? Then they'd be saying release the other 34mins of sparring lol.

[-Johannes-]

Wouldn't more footage of Conor beating Paulie up do wonders for showtime? More hype = more money. White makes no sense here.

[paulf]

I think a top 20ish, top 30ish guy, as I suggest Paulie would be today if he was active, would have more for a 0-0 guy than a 0-0 guy would have for him. Nor would it be THAT competitive. I'd assume Paulie to own him earlier, out of shape or nah, & I'd except his gas tank to be better at all times.

Oh I'm with you, I just don't think Paulie is a top 30 guy AT ALL these days. I look at the top 100 IBO right now and I see Brandon Rios at #30. Rios is shot and cant hang at welterweight and I think he'd beat Paulie around the ring for 5 or 6 rounds EASILY.

Paulie's mouth has been buying him into paydays for a long time. He doesn't beat a single guy in the top 30.

1 Manny Pacquiao
2 Danny Garcia
3 Shawn Porter
4 Lamont Peterson
5 Jessie Vargas
6 Sam Eggington
7 Kell Brook
8 Adrian Granados
9 Carlos Adames
10 Qudratillo Abduqaxorov
11 Omar Figueroa Jr
12 David Avanesyan
13 Andre Berto
14 Konstantin Ponomarev
15 Lucas Martin Matthysse
16 Bradley Skeete
17 Sadam Ali
18 Luis Collazo
19 Miguel Vazquez
20 Carlos Ocampo
21 Thomas Dulorme
22 Leonard Bundu
23 Carlos Molina
24 Tsiko Mulovhedzi
25 Chris van Heerden
26 Cesar Miguel Barrionuevo
27 Toshio Arikawa
28 Brandon Rios
29 Alan Sanchez
30 Egidijus Kavaliauskas

Edit: Rios has moved up a few spots, but I stand by my point.

[Jewish-Reptile]

Shouldn't Paulie be owning him in sparring to doe? Paulie hasn't fought in like 5mos, but he doesn't really look all that out of shape like he Bronered up since the Eggington L or anything.

And I get the in camp thing, but this is a 0-0 in camp guy vs a 19 years worth of amateur & pro experience boxer who, while people love to diss Paulie, wasn't a un-notable presence winning titles in 2 divisions & who's lost 7 or his 8 times to champions (& maybe that'll even be all 8 if Egginton can catch a title as he's still young in his career)?

What the hell ! What is it with you man ? The guy just lost to a British level scrub wit multiple losses already to British journeymen, Paulie was in shape back then but has been flown around the country and to the UK by the like of Sho and Sky and been given the celeb status being put up in flash hotels living the life whilst focusing solely on commentating.

The man in the video don't look anything like the Paulie we've come to know inside the ring, he looks GROSSLY out of shape, fresh off of a long haul flight the second fight too. Only a butt hurt pac t.ard would claim otherwise.

What does Broner'd up even mean ? Paulie is fat and unconditioned, it's there all to be seen.

Answer me this, are you a Pacquaio supporter ?

[Eff Pandas]

Oh I'm with you, I just don't think Paulie is a top 30 guy AT ALL these days. I look at the top 100 IBO right now and I see Brandon Rios at #30. Rios is shot and cant hang at welterweight and I think he'd beat Paulie around the ring for 5 or 6 rounds EASILY.

Paulie's mouth has been buying him into paydays for a long time. He doesn't beat a single guy in the top 30.

1 Manny Pacquiao
2 Danny Garcia
3 Shawn Porter
4 Lamont Peterson
5 Jessie Vargas
6 Sam Eggington
7 Kell Brook
8 Adrian Granados
9 Carlos Adames
10 Qudratillo Abduqaxorov
11 Omar Figueroa Jr
12 David Avanesyan
13 Andre Berto
14 Konstantin Ponomarev
15 Lucas Martin Matthysse
16 Bradley Skeete
17 Sadam Ali
18 Luis Collazo
19 Miguel Vazquez
20 Carlos Ocampo
21 Thomas Dulorme
22 Leonard Bundu
23 Carlos Molina
24 Tsiko Mulovhedzi
25 Chris van Heerden
26 Cesar Miguel Barrionuevo
27 Toshio Arikawa
28 Brandon Rios

I could see Paulie beating Rios. And I think it'd be competitive either way so that makes sense with my thinking that Paulie would be in that range.

Although looking at the specific guys I wanna come off of top 20ish, top 30ish & just say top 30ish cuz I definitely don't like Paulie while looking at these specific top 20 opponents.

Where would you rank Paulie if he wasn't retired today?