What's your definition of "prime" fighter? How do you determine it?

Collapse
Collapse
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • Chollo Vista
    Banned
    Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
    • Nov 2012
    • 10800
    • 1,428
    • 1,024
    • 154,684

    #1

    What's your definition of "prime" fighter? How do you determine it?

    By definition, prime is the following "of the best possible quality; excellent".

    I consider the following when talking about a guy's prime:

    Age

    Value of fights won consecutively

    Value of opponents beaten and who their opponents beat

    Sometimes division rankings and P4P rankings are important

    How far removed they are from a defeat and their condition during their defeat. If they actually loss or case of foul judges.

    There's a lot to take into account when assessing a fighters prime.

    What do you consider?
  • Chollo Vista
    Banned
    Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
    • Nov 2012
    • 10800
    • 1,428
    • 1,024
    • 154,684

    #2
    So many guys making claims about who's prime and who's not prime all the while no one can define what prime is?

    Comment

    • McNulty
      Hamsterdam
      Super Champion - 5,000-10,000 posts
      • May 2007
      • 6576
      • 430
      • 348
      • 28,319

      #3
      If you don't know, you're never going to know.

      Comment

      • CatchAndShoot
        Undisputed Champion
        Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
        • Feb 2014
        • 3534
        • 257
        • 202
        • 17,533

        #4
        Originally posted by McNulty
        If you don't know, you're never going to know.
        This. You don't even have to ask this. You just know.

        Comment

        • Joe Beamish
          Undisputed Champion
          Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
          • Aug 2014
          • 3475
          • 157
          • 42
          • 30,582

          #5
          As you say, a number of factors. But it all comes down to sensing whether a guy is still able to get the most out of Experience X Athletic ability. His wisdom and smarts can make up for a certain amount of physical decline, but only so much.

          Ali of the early-mid 1970s had lost a step compared to the 1960s version (though he was still faster than anyone else.) But he was a smarter, trickier fighter. Therefore still in his "prime." Until his athletic decline simply became too much.

          After a certain point, you lose your ability to rebound, refuel, reload quickly. Usually by age 35 or so -- though again, it depends on many factors.

          Comment

          • Floyd is TBE
            Undisputed Champion
            Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
            • Nov 2016
            • 3239
            • 737
            • 1,097
            • 27,507

            #6
            When an athlete is at the absolute peak of their abilities. That's it. All that other stuff is irrelevant to me.

            Comment

            • John Locke
              Undisputed Champion
              Super Champion - 5,000-10,000 posts
              • Sep 2013
              • 7818
              • 411
              • 287
              • 40,060

              #7
              It's a tricky subject as there are a lot of variables. I mostly use common sense, along with the things you mentioned in the OP

              Comment

              • mjbjst
                Contender
                • May 2006
                • 286
                • 20
                • 8
                • 11,717

                #8
                You can't really determine when a fighter was in his prime until he starts to decline

                Comment

                • Elroy The Great
                  Banned
                  Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
                  • Aug 2016
                  • 15935
                  • 371
                  • 249
                  • 45,972

                  #9
                  going off of a section of ones resume, the best part ?

                  imho, the peak of ones physicality. body fat low, testosterone high, reflexes on point. enough experience w/o damage.

                  being in prime condition doesnt necessarily ensure wins.

                  Comment

                  • iamboxing
                    ******a facking game
                    Super Champion - 5,000-10,000 posts
                    • Dec 2016
                    • 6421
                    • 672
                    • 760
                    • 29,458

                    #10
                    I don't consider age to be that important when considering prime. It was all downhill after Tyson fired Rooney. RJJ's athleticism declined way before the Ruiz and Tarver fights. Naseem Hamed went from Ingle's version of being elusive and hardly ever being hit to a Suarez one trick pony looking for a KO who didn't even bother with training or defense. Foreman in his 40s was a better boxer than in the 70s.

                    Comment

                    Working...
                    TOP