Random Thoughts On Last Night

[Mammoth]

My thoughts are that I am glad I didn't have to pay PPV for that, because AB didn't show up.

He did show up. AB just can't deal with pressure.

[GW Carter]

He did show up. AB just can't deal with pressure.

I don't count throwing 20 punches per round as showing up.

[Mammoth]

I don't count throwing 20 punches per round as showing up.

It's all he could do. He couldn't adjust. His best was just not very good...

[daggum]

broner in the hall of fame.......wtf why? he never beat anyone good. is guerrero in the hall too?

and luckily crawford will probably have all the belts soon so mikey cant cherry pick one although im sure one will be available soon when crawford doesnt fght glass joe as his mandatory and in swoops garcia or broner again

[koolkc107]

There's a first time for everything and Broner will be that exception

And what I'm implying is that those who make the selection know that Broner's claim to being 4-Division Champion is built on a weak foundation and that he has struggled to beat any top level fighter. But sometimes the selectors let personal feelings cast a vote for fighters who aren't really worthy of the HOF like Barry McGuigan. But Broner is so unliked that I don't see enough voters casting him a pity ballot.

Broner would have a much stronger case if he was involved in FOTY type fights and while it's not too late I doubt he puts forth a career worthy of induction even based on the weak criteria of the boxing hall of fame. He really has no place in the history of boxing either. If Broner won at least 3 of his 4 world titles the way he won his belt at 135 I think he'll have a better shot at getting in.

I'll ask you this, do you think Ricky Burns is getting into the Hall of Fame?

The bolded is you admitting that it would be completely out of the norm for Broner not to make the hall.

Hope you realize that.

Broner has fought pretty solid competition. Probably a better group of fighters than than the opponents of other fighters currently being hawked as P4P or all-time greats. Take away Jacobs and the coming Canelo fight and Broner has a better resume (as far as quality of fighter) than Lil G. Broner has fought more quality guys than Loma, though he hasn't beat them all- then again neither has Lomachenko.

4 Belts in 4 weightclasses means the onus is on the selection committee to come up with overwhelming reasons why Broner should be LEFT OUT.

And a lack of popularity probably won't be enough of a reason given many of the names already in.

And yeah, I think that if Arturo Gatti got in, then Broner- and yes even Burns- easily gets in.

[REMOVE SHARK 55]

Big Baby is a friggin beast?. Agree or no?. 298lb?!?!?!??!???. Boxing fit. Took a flush shot from another SHW, knees dipped, he smiled and continued to impose his will.

The cons of Miller are his lack of upper body movement specifically slipping punches and his lack of concussive punching power.
I keep thinking about Wilder and his struggles against supposed lower level opposition. The Miller fight was as one sided as you like, with the occasional rally from Washington which culminated in a TKO.

[koolkc107]

Big Baby is a friggin beast?. Agree or no?. 298lb?!?!?!??!???. Boxing fit. Took a flush shot from another SHW, knees dipped, he smiled and continued to impose his will.

The cons of Miller are his lack of upper body movement specifically slipping punches and his lack of concussive punching power.
I keep thinking about Wilder and his struggles against supposed lower level opposition. The Miller fight was as one sided as you like, with the occasional rally from Washington which culminated in a TKO.

I like the kid.

Obviously, he is going to have to get in better shape to challenge the top of the division.

And he will have to sharpen things up, especially defensively.

But, all the tools are there.

Good power, decent athleticism, decent chin.

A lot to work with.

[Eff Pandas]

That being said, folks need to know the difference between a one-sided fight (which this was) and a beating (which this wasn't). I don't think there was anytime during the fight that Broner was hurt by anything Mikey threw. Actually, it was probably Broner that landed the hardest shots in the fight and I think at least once he buzzed Mikey but it was at the end of the round.

Agree. Broner lost the fight more then Garcia did anything amazing to win the fight. Not saying that Garcia doesn't win regardless, but to me Broner gave away that fight only to look fully capable of winning it in the later rounds when he actually fought. I don't grasp why or how Broner can fight like he did later on all the while doing virtually nothing early on.

I think Mikey boxed masterfully, but it might behoove him to stick to the lower weights for a while longer, take a little time to grow out of 135. He looked a little pudgy as a 140 pounder and I think there are questions as to how hard he punches at 140. No way he beats Crawford right now.

Idk about the bottom of this paragraph. I think Garcia gives a good account of himself vs Crawford win or lose. By no means is that a locked up W for Crawford, although admittedly I'd likely favor him & I'd speculate I'm in the majority with that opinion.

On the other hand, I think he is a lock to stop a smaller Lomachenko or Davis or anyone 135 and under.

I think Loma has a higher boxing IQ than Mikey so idk about that. I think just like with Crawford Garcia wouldn't be a sitting duck or anything & would do his name well, but I'd lean towards Loma winning that one too.

Tank is still kinda unproven at the tip top level at 130 I think one could argue, lets slow down at throwing him up to 135. I think that fight would be years away at best & likely just isn't in the cards cuz Tank seems like a smaller cat.

I am hoping Mikey doesn't make the same mistake Broner made by going up in weight too soon. Whatever he does, I will wish him well and be rooting for him in the ring.

Thats legit, but I think Mikey is about the dollars & I legit think he'd move to 147 to fight Thurman or Spence if the dollars made sense. I don't think Garcia is as concerned with legacy or resumes or P4P as much as he wants to set himself up in life with the best opportunities boxing provides him. That might not sit well with some boxing fans, but I believe that to be the goal with most fighters & definitely a guy like Garcia.

Folks might have booed Broner's postfight comments...but Adrien has it right- he is pretty much assured a place in Canestota right now.

Idk about all this. 4 weight divisions sounds impressive, but I believe things have been watered down so much this doesn't mean anything like it did at one time & we all know it including HOF voters. Broner is 0-3 in his 3 major fights now. He's not getting in the HOF til he wins at least 1 major fight.

4 titles in 4 different weight classes will do that. And heaven help us if Broner finds an easy 154 pounder with a belt to beat...he'd be a lead pipe cinch lock then.

Depends who he beats. Idk that Broner has been the number 1 guy in 1 of the divisions he's been in for sure (seems like he was at 130, but that seems like a lifetime ago now) & certainly wasn't the number 1 guy in 2 of the 4 divisions he's won titles in. If he wins 5 titles without being the number 1 guy in 2 or more of them idk that that locks up anything.

I like how Charlo looked but we still know absolutely nothing about him at 160. You don't get props for beating a guy who showed up to the fight less one wheel.

Idk that anything has changed from 154 to 160. We'll know soon doe cuz this W should put him in with someone with a name soon.

Props to Heiland for getting in there anyway and getting that money, but someone higher up should have shot a burning slug into this, or got a suitable replacement.

Oh well.

Can't blame him for trying thats for sure. Kinda f#cked up the commission didn't catch him & they should still punish him (suspension, fine, hem up his $ or something) cuz I'm sure he signed documents saying he was healthy which clearly wasn't true & I imagine its easier to say the commission shoulda caught him than it is to catch a guy faking like he's healthy among all the guys the commission is checking out.

[NYG]

Broner being a 4 time champ is a complete joke. Give me a ****ing break, any bum can win a belt then move up for a vacant title shot, win it against a bum and keep doing it. You should need to go through certain fighters before you win a belt in another weight class. Otherwise it means nothing. If you dont beat the real champion, who cares?

[koolkc107]

Agree. Broner lost the fight more then Garcia did anything amazing to win the fight. Not saying that Garcia doesn't win regardless, but to me Broner gave away that fight only to look fully capable of winning it in the later rounds when he actually fought. I don't grasp why or how Broner can fight like he did later on all the while doing virtually nothing early on.

It has to be either a real stamina issue he knows about or is mental worry about stamina. Either way, he needs to get with someone who can solve the problem or erase those fears at least. He fights the whole fight like the last 4 rounds and maybe we have a different result.

Idk about the bottom of this paragraph. I think Garcia gives a good account of himself vs Crawford win or lose. By no means is that a locked up W for Crawford, although admittedly I'd likely favor him & I'd speculate I'm in the majority with that opinion.

Of course he'll give a great account of himself. But Crawford has proven he has brought his power with him as he moved up. The jury is still out on whether Mikey can do the same. And the last place Mikey should be finding that out is a fight with Bud in the next 6 months.

I think Loma has a higher boxing IQ than Mikey so idk about that. I think just like with Crawford Garcia wouldn't be a sitting duck or anything & would do his name well, but I'd lean towards Loma winning that one too.

I don't know about that. Mikey looked really good against Siri. Loma, not so much. And Mikey has dominated his competition in a similar manner as Loma. In Vasyl's defense, he did do Roman Martinez better than Mikey did, but that was 3 years (and two tought fights with Siri) later.

Tank is still kinda unproven at the tip top level at 130 I think one could argue, lets slow down at throwing him up to 135. I think that fight would be years away at best & likely just isn't in the cards cuz Tank seems like a smaller cat.

Agree. But, it is a match-up that is intriguing and may not be as far down the road as one would think. Gervonta is big for his current weight.

Thats legit, but I think Mikey is about the dollars & I legit think he'd move to 147 to fight Thurman or Spence if the dollars made sense. I don't think Garcia is as concerned with legacy or resumes or P4P as much as he wants to set himself up in life with the best opportunities boxing provides him. That might not sit well with some boxing fans, but I believe that to be the goal with most fighters & definitely a guy like Garcia.

Agree as well. Mikey is one of those cats who is going to go down as an all time great exactly because he doesn't give one damn about legacy. He'll fight anyone. Saw it in him way off and, short of him getting caught raping 13 year olds, I'm gonna be a fan always.

Idk about all this. 4 weight divisions sounds impressive, but I believe things have been watered down so much this doesn't mean anything like it did at one time & we all know it including HOF voters. Broner is 0-3 in his 3 major fights now. He's not getting in the HOF til he wins at least 1 major fight.

We disagree. 4 belts even in this watered down age is a feat. If it was easy, more folks would do it.

Depends who he beats. Idk that Broner has been the number 1 guy in 1 of the divisions he's been in for sure (seems like he was at 130, but that seems like a lifetime ago now) & certainly wasn't the number 1 guy in 2 of the 4 divisions he's won titles in. If he wins 5 titles without being the number 1 guy in 2 or more of them idk that that locks up anything.

I think that some of Broners wins will look better as time goes on. There are a few that already do, like DeMarco and Rees, who he stopped where others havent

Idk that anything has changed from 154 to 160. We'll know soon doe cuz this W should put him in with someone with a name soon.

Agree.

Can't blame him for trying thats for sure. Kinda f#cked up the commission didn't catch him & they should still punish him (suspension, fine, hem up his $ or something) cuz I'm sure he signed documents saying he was healthy which clearly wasn't true & I imagine its easier to say the commission shoulda caught him than it is to catch a guy faking like he's healthy among all the guys the commission is checking out.

As usual, a pleasure hearing your feedback whether I agree or not, Eff.