How can IV mask the PEDS?

[boxinggod101]

You : there wasn't any proof Manny used PEDS.

ME : provided you a direct qoute from Manny himself saying he used METH during his rise to champion.

WADA : METH is a PED

You : Manny just a product of his environment and was a teen. And METH isn't that bad.






ME :



OK.

U dont make any sense. Go troll someone else and dance for me boy.

[Dosumpthin]

A report on television station France 2 has demonstrated how the UCI Biological Passport can be circumvented by the use of micro-doses of EPO, Human Growth Hormone, blood transfusions and corticosteroids.


As part of a study carried out by Pierre Sallet of the Athletes for Transparency organisation with the blessing of the World Anti-Doping Agency, eight athletes were doped under supervision for a period of 29 days. The process was documented by France 2's sports magazine show Stade 2 on Sunday evening.

The eight amateur athletes and triathletes underwent VO2 max testing before commencing their doping programme, as well as performing a time trial on a static bike and being timed on a 3,000-metre run. After a month of micro-dosing of EPO and the other substances, the tests were repeated, with significant improvements in performance noted.

In the VO2 max test, an average improvement of 6.1% was recorded, while an average gain of 2.1% was reported in the 14km static bike time trial. In the 3,000-metres run, there was an average improvement of 2.8%.

"It's another planet, it's not human," said one participant, amateur runner Guillaume Antonietti. "And it's very worrying when you think we only took micro-doses.”

Analysis of the blood profiles of the eight athletes who took part in the experiment demonstrated that they would not have fallen foul of the biological passport's parameters. As France 2's report concluded, the experiment demonstrates that "a clean passport is not necessarily the passport of a clean athlete."

A number of riders, including Europcar's Pierre Rolland and Arnaud Démare of FDJ, responded to the report on Twitter. "A discouraging, baffling report, biological passport useless or unusable! Bravo!" Rolland wrote.

"Impressive report on #Stade2," Démare wrote. "Let's not forget that the fight against doping must be worldwide! The biological passport isn't enough… #antidoping."------------------------------ an IV would be the icing on the cake

May 11, 2015
WADA Statement on France Télévisions ABP Documentary

"Since WADA’s statement on the France Télévisions 3 May documentary regarding a study on the Athlete Biological Passport (ABP), new information has been brought to our attention regarding the study.

WADA is now aware of the five complete profiles produced by the study. Of those five, two would have been considered “positive” cases under the ABP model if properly used, and three would have been “su****ious” cases leading to targeted testing.

WADA accepts that the documentary did raise questions over the ability of athletes to dope by taking minimal amounts of performance enhancing substances without testing positive. We are very alert to ‘micro-dosing’; it is an issue that we are exploring in great detail with experts from across the anti-doping community, including in particular those responsible for enhancing the passport.

The ABP, when used as part of an intelligent anti-doping programme, is a strong tool that helps to protect the rights of clean athletes across the world. We remain alert, however, to the need to continue our work with experts to enhance the tool as part of the progress of anti-doping work globally, and, as such, we will continue to strengthen the ABP so that clean athletes and the watching public retain full confidence in the anti-doping system.

Lastly, we understand that ethical permission was given for this study. WADA accepts that there may be studies that use humans to explore the effect of performance enhancing substances. In such cases, they must be subjected to full ethical reviews that include monitoring of the study and the results. WADA has approved one such research project."


https://www.wada-ama.org/en/media/ne...bp-documentary




So for a 2-6% increase in performance 2 athletes are still brought up in doping charges and 3 are subjected to targeted testing.

Its evident the risk would significantly outweigh the reward for a maximum of less than 2% gains. Not to mention the cost for the athlete and required discipline to consistently microdose for an entire career without alerting ABP. And lastly having stored samples of up to 10 years for possible later testing.

That's arguably the best possible deterrent in the history of drug testing.



I bet pact@rds like you will argue this anyway.







Pact@rds are insane.

[MoneyMatters]

Thats insane so 2 out of 5 athletes uses PEDs. So pacquiao and floyd iv mayweather.

[Shape up]

May 11, 2015
WADA Statement on France Télévisions ABP Documentary

"Since WADA’s statement on the France Télévisions 3 May documentary regarding a study on the Athlete Biological Passport (ABP), new information has been brought to our attention regarding the study.

WADA is now aware of the five complete profiles produced by the study. Of those five, two would have been considered “positive” cases under the ABP model if properly used, and three would have been “su****ious” cases leading to targeted testing.

WADA accepts that the documentary did raise questions over the ability of athletes to dope by taking minimal amounts of performance enhancing substances without testing positive. We are very alert to ‘micro-dosing’; it is an issue that we are exploring in great detail with experts from across the anti-doping community, including in particular those responsible for enhancing the passport.

The ABP, when used as part of an intelligent anti-doping programme, is a strong tool that helps to protect the rights of clean athletes across the world. We remain alert, however, to the need to continue our work with experts to enhance the tool as part of the progress of anti-doping work globally, and, as such, we will continue to strengthen the ABP so that clean athletes and the watching public retain full confidence in the anti-doping system.

Lastly, we understand that ethical permission was given for this study. WADA accepts that there may be studies that use humans to explore the effect of performance enhancing substances. In such cases, they must be subjected to full ethical reviews that include monitoring of the study and the results. WADA has approved one such research project."


https://www.wada-ama.org/en/media/ne...bp-documentary




So for a 2-6% increase in performance 2 athletes are still brought up in doping charges and 3 are subjected to targeted testing.

Its evident the risk would significantly outweigh the reward for a maximum of less than 2% gains. Not to mention the cost for the athlete and required discipline to consistently microdose for an entire career without alerting ABP. And lastly having stored samples of up to 10 years for possible later testing.

That's arguably the best possible deterrent in the history of drug testing.



I bet pact@rds like you will argue this anyway.







Pact@rds are insane.

Only one problem dumbsumption, there was 8 athletes in this test and it was on France 2

[Shape up]

Yet for all the recent doping exposés, the battle between cheats and testers has not dramatically altered. Even with the establishment of the World Anti-Doping Agency in 2000, and the introduction of the Athlete Biological Passport in 2009, the percentage failing drugs tests remains stubbornly stuck at around 1-2% per year, even though athlete surveys tell us the number of dopers is probably somewhere between 14 and 39%
Sometimes that is because su****ious tests do not quite reach the high burden of proof needed to be declared officially positive, as is reportedly the case with those unnamed athletes revealed by the Sunday Times to have abnormal blood values. Sometimes it is because testers are beaten by increasingly sophisticated methods or clever drugs. Victor Conte, the controversial supplement producer who was sent to jail for his role in the Balco scandal in 2003, believes it is still far too easy to get away with cheating. “Can athletes micro-dose with EPO and testosterone and get away with it? Yes, they can. Can they use insulin?” he asks. “Yes, they can. Can they use thyroid medication? Yes, they can. It’s like taking candy from a baby. That’s how easy it is for smart chemists and advisers to circumvent Wada testing.”

[Shape up]

Funny, floyds early T/E ratio tests sound like this, wrong but just not wrong enough

[Dosumpthin]

Only one problem dumbsumption, there was 8 athletes in this test and it was on France 2

1. There were 5 "Complete profiles"

2. Are you really this dumb? Are you saying WADA response isn't referencing the same documentary?

[pasawayako]

He was tested BEFORE the IV you foolish hobbit

I'm pretty sure floyd used the IV before giving a sample to make sure he flush out all the substance in his system.

[Dosumpthin]

Yet for all the recent doping exposés, the battle between cheats and testers has not dramatically altered. Even with the establishment of the World Anti-Doping Agency in 2000, and the introduction of the Athlete Biological Passport in 2009, the percentage failing drugs tests remains stubbornly stuck at around 1-2% per year, even though athlete surveys tell us the number of dopers is probably somewhere between 14 and 39%
Sometimes that is because su****ious tests do not quite reach the high burden of proof needed to be declared officially positive, as is reportedly the case with those unnamed athletes revealed by the Sunday Times to have abnormal blood values. Sometimes it is because testers are beaten by increasingly sophisticated methods or clever drugs. Victor Conte, the controversial supplement producer who was sent to jail for his role in the Balco scandal in 2003, believes it is still far too easy to get away with cheating. “Can athletes micro-dose with EPO and testosterone and get away with it? Yes, they can. Can they use insulin?” he asks. “Yes, they can. Can they use thyroid medication? Yes, they can. It’s like taking candy from a baby. That’s how easy it is for smart chemists and advisers to circumvent Wada testing.”

“Wada has spent millions of dollars on a really bad test that wasn’t very good for growth hormone and it wasn’t detecting IGF1 use at all. But there is a biomarker system, which goes into a formula along with your sex and age, that works and Wada is only starting to implement.”

- Victor Conte from the same article you're quoting.

Reading is fundamental. Didn't you learn anything from Travestny?



Here's another more recent quote where Conte references the effectivness of ABP :

Cheap and undetectable

Athletes around the world continue to try and find an edge. And many agree that if they compete for a lenient country and have access to the best science, there is little chance of detection.

The latest craze, Conte says, is so-called peptide hormones, which produce more growth hormone in the body or increase the impact of naturally produced testosterone. Conte says use of this type of drug is "rampant" because "they don`t have a test" for it. The most popular product, he says, is IGF1-LR3, which slowly releases synthetic testosterone and basically doubles an athlete's circulating testosterone level. But when tested, most athletes still come under WADA`s accepted maximum testosterone/epitestosterone ratio of 4:1 (most men's ratio is around 1:1).

"Make no mistake about it — there are rewards to using these substances. They work. They make great athletes even greater."
- Jeff Novitzky
"People are using it, you can buy it relatively cheap on the internet and there is no test for it yet, Conte says. "The only way they could bring charges against you was if they did the test over a period of time, say six months on a monthly basis, and they had six different tests showing fluctuations. So in other words you would have to use a biological passport approach. They are not going to do that. They are not testing that many times."

Officials acknowledge that the testing required to detect this drug — the "biological passport" that Conte alludes to, which establishes baseline levels for each athlete — is costly and difficult to administer.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.3624288

Lol.


This is coming from agenda driven Victor Conte who has been a VADA advocate and spokesperson since 2011 and has always been anti-USADA and critical of WADA proceedures. Even CONTE is forced to admit ABP is necessary - despite VADA being incapable of a functional biological passport testing system. Not good for his business. We all know CIR test by itself without ABP can be easily beaten.


His only criticism of ABP is "it's too expensive" for USADA/WADA. BWHAHAHAHAHA. Not for Floyd doe. Lol. He FRONTED 100k CASH to try and catch Manny red handed in 2009. Good thing Manny ducked those BLOOD test.









*waits for your response knowing you will deflect and spam another topic*

[Dosumpthin]

I'm pretty sure floyd used the IV before giving a sample to make sure he flush out all the substance in his system.

You claimed Floyd paid off Thomas Hauser to retract the rumor that Thomas Hauser himself started.


I think you are on to something big. This would be the biggest conspiracy yet concocted by pact@rds. Will you make a new poll? I promise I will vote in your favor.