Holding and Clinching - Allowed, Not Allowed, In Between?

[daggum]

every gym ive been to taught clinching in particular situations

same with andre ward. those particular situations are rounds 1-12

[daggum]

There were way more holding back in the old days PPL just dont want to hear it bc guys like Johnson and Ali are great and used excessive LEGAL clinchin (not holding behind the head ) but fighters who use it today are lazy and cant fight?

Clinchin is a part of boxing its a skill in itself , excessive clinchin to just avoid damage or fighting for 12 rnds is not ......

this makes no sense. so you can do it but only sometimes? why else would you clinch other than to avoid damage and avoid fighting? the only other reason would be to hold and hit which is also clearly illegal. or possibly to wrestle your way into position to throw a punch after breaking a clinch like ward does but it says no wrestling as well. if only refs knew the rules....

[_Maxi]

Whats the difference between clinching & holding in boxing anyway? I've never been super clear on that.

To me the rules says any deliberate clinching or holding is a foul doe so that says to me most of the bs we see is a foul when guys are separated. I suppose the real problem is who do you take points from when so much of the holding/clinching is "consensual".

Don't try to argue with them. They are Floyd and Ward fans.

[Eff Pandas]

Don't try to argue with them. They are Floyd and Ward fans.

Who's arguing. I'm legit curious people's take on this subject cuz it clearly seems to be something thats a foul, but its not like refs & commissions aren't in on it to. So fair play to any boxer who does what refs & commissions allow them to do.

[tokon]

The main problem is referees failing to enforce the rules!

Another thing is how high fighters are allowed to wear their protectors.

[HandsofIron]

Whats the difference between clinching & holding in boxing anyway? I've never been super clear on that.

To me the rules says any deliberate clinching or holding is a foul doe so that says to me most of the bs we see is a foul when guys are separated. I suppose the real problem is who do you take points from when so much of the holding/clinching is "consensual".

That's a tough one. I guess points should be taken away from anyone that deliberately holds their opponent without actually fighting on the inside.

[iamboxing]

When they're stunned it's ok, but points should be taken off when it's excessive and it's obvious they're just coasting. Tyson's opponents held on for dear life and it was becoming a problem, but Mills Lane took a firm approach and took a point off from one of his opponents early on in the fight. I wish more refs today would take the same approach.

[Eff Pandas]

When they're stunned it's ok

Why is it okay at any point if its a foul?

Thats like saying its okay to hit someone in the **** or headbutt your opponent if you're hurt. Nah man its a foul if you are hurt or not.

In fact I'd say when guys are hurt is when its usually a more malicious or aggressive foul as its not even a "consensual" holding situation like so many holding situations we see.

[FinitoxDinamita]

Clinching is part of the game but the ref must know when enough is enough and start taking points away.

[Snoop Frog]

Thanks for all the feedback everyone. This confirms what I thought: It's illegal, but the refs let a lot of it go.