Question about boxing gloves vs MMM gloves

[Eff Pandas]

sports sciences already proved theirs no real difference. MMA gloves needs theirs like that for the grappling and thats the only reason.

I don't buy the full logic with this.

I'd argue they are looking at the wrong thing. If I'm hitting someone with a small glove & a large glove the smaller glove is going to be delivering however much force to a smaller target area then the bigger glove will be. Thus the impacted area would seem more likely to receive damage with the smaller glove vs the bigger glove.

And I believe this already proves true with the amount of visual damage you'll see on MMA guys vs boxers for anyone who watches both sports. Its uncommon to see a MMA card where there aren't multiple guys being cut up & looking like racoons meanwhile you can watch a whole fight card & not see anything worse then a bloody nose.

[Southpawology]

Well, it's easier to land on someone with smaller gloves. It's one thing to land a counter on a guy with mid-low level amateur boxing type skill with small gloves...and another animal entirely on landing flush on a world class boxer consistantly with big gloves as it also helps defensively. The same angles don't work unless you're incredibly crafty or set it up since it's easier to block a large area with boxing gloves. Bad boxers dont see as much coming so it's easier to stop em..add smaller gloves and a guy with a good sense of distance and timing that's rare to find in mma (Conor. He's a good counter ouncher in his sport. Very good) will ko a lot of dudes. Monstrous puncher or not.

People are too concentrated on the neary non existent power diff but don't seem to think about the sheer versatility big gloves provide defensively. It's not as easy to be an accurate puncher in boxing.

Conor going to have to rely on sheer physicality and relish clinches and just try to ragdoll mayweather into the ropes and land questionably clean punches/ebows...ala mayweather/ward.

Very solid points sir!

[NearHypnos]

I don't buy the full logic with this.

I'd argue they are looking at the wrong thing. If I'm hitting someone with a small glove & a large glove the smaller glove is going to be delivering however much force to a smaller target area then the bigger glove will be. Thus the impacted area would seem more likely to receive damage with the smaller glove vs the bigger glove.

And I believe this already proves true with the amount of visual damage you'll see on MMA guys vs boxers for anyone who watches both sports. Its uncommon to see a MMA card where there aren't multiple guys being cut up & looking like racoons meanwhile you can watch a whole fight card & not see anything worse then a bloody nose.

Visual damage isn't indicative of concussive damage. It's actually the argument made for bare knuckle that fewer punches land and have a bigger superficial/painful effect compared to the concussive nature of boxing and mma due to the amount of force delivered thanks to the wraps/gloves.


I do agree though that the same amount of force in a smaller area should be stronger. It's just so hard to gauge which is harder though. Boxing gloves are bigger but all the padding isnt on the punching surface. Remember, the glove is used to protect the hands, not from causing less damage. All the padding is distributed to the knuckle, wrist, thumb, back of the hand, etc.


A devastating puncher is hitting about as hard with either mma or boxing gloves...you can feel the knuckles through both. I've only been hit just a few times with mma gloves mind you (and not from a big puncher like Dan Henderson or anything lol) but it didn't seem too different from boxing gloves. You just feel more vulnerable?


Still..a smaller area delivering the same force should be harder right? It seems like common sense. Or does the weight of the glove help make it more powerful as you're delivering more weight into a relatively small target (chin for example).

:/... I feel like this is a non sober conversation to have

[Eff Pandas]

Visual damage isn't indicative of concussive damage. It's actually the argument made for bare knuckle that fewer punches land and have a bigger superficial/painful effect compared to the concussive nature of boxing and mma due to the amount of force delivered thanks to the wraps/gloves.


I do agree though that the same amount of force in a smaller area should be stronger. It's just so hard to gauge which is harder though. Boxing gloves are bigger but all the padding isnt on the punching surface. Remember, the glove is used to protect the hands, not from causing less damage. All the padding is distributed to the knuckle, wrist, thumb, back of the hand, etc.


A devastating puncher is hitting about as hard with either mma or boxing gloves...you can feel the knuckles through both. I've only been hit just a few times with mma gloves mind you (and not from a big puncher like Dan Henderson or anything lol) but it didn't seem too different from boxing gloves. You just feel more vulnerable?


Still..a smaller area delivering the same force should be harder right? It seems like common sense. Or does the weight of the glove help make it more powerful as you're delivering more weight into a relatively small target (chin for example).

:/... I feel like this is a non sober conversation to have

LOL no doubt.

Whats the counter theory on why there are more legit KO's in MMA over boxing (& I mean standing KO's not the drop a guy & then go hammerfist him thing you do see quite often & that I see people bringing up cuz anyone who watches both sports can attest more MMA guys get put to sleep more often with ~20 or less punches landed than you'll see in boxing with ~20 or less punches landed) & the more cuts & bruising you'll see on any random MMA card over a boxing card?

And I don't necessarily think the overall concussive damage is THAT different so much as boxers take more of those punches that do damage. I'm of the belief that regardless of the lbs per sq inch power the real problem is brains don't like being hit & boxers are taking more overall hits to the brain than MMA guys. Thats why there are more punchdrunk/severely injured boxers than MMA guys. Its a volume thing more than a power thing.

[Akan]

It's how the energy is being transferred into the skull. A smaller surface area causes more local damage rather than piercing concussive damage that forces the brain to rattle around in the skull. That's why you see more cuts and superficial damage and fractures of the facial bones in mma. With a larger surface area it's evenly distributed to a larger area of the skull forcing the brain to move more. So the more accurate you are with mma gloves the easier to get the ko when you hit pivotal points like the chin or temple but the odds of hitting those buttons in order to get the brain moving as often and violently as boxing gloves is lower. Larger surface area easier to get the head to move in a way that damages the brain, smaller surface area causes more damage to the structure of the skull and cause superficial damage unless you hit a pivotal weakpoint.

[jay543]

Dana White used to say that the reason boxers died frequently and had more concussions than MMA fighters, is because the boxing gloves are so heavy and combined with your punching power, it was more deadly than MMA gloves.

But lately allot of people have been saying that the only reason Connor is hitting so hard in MMA, is because the gloves are smaller and doesnt have as much padding.

As far as what Dana said about concussions and boxing gloves, I see his point.

But Im conflicted because I also feel that if you hit someone with bareknuckle or little to know padding, that it would hurt more because its raw knuckles crashing onto the target.

Can someone break this down!?

Smaller gloves = faster punches + smaller surface area = greater acceleration and greater force on the target.

It's easier to get a knockout with small gloves than larger gloves, and smaller gloves can cause more damage.


Dana White is full of ****,"peeleft: the reason why boxers have more issues and deaths is because they face far greater accumulation of punches than MMA fighters. It's not the 1 punch that causes damage, it's the accumulation of hundreds of punches.

The fact that MMA gloves are smaller and make knockouts easier is what causes less long term effects because the fights are stopped before more punches are thrown and there is less accumulation of punishment.

[richardt]

they did an episode of sport science on this there is no differece this is a dead issue
MMA fans like to use

The one where they use a heavybag is useless because it only uses pure force on a heavybag, a non-human and the fact is, actual impact is based on things like speed and accuracy which make punches from the smaller gloves harder to see coming and block against. On top of that, bigger gloves allow you to block punches better than smaller ones which make you a bigger target and easier to hit. Add it all up and the smaller gloves are more dangerous and would produce more KO's, but less brain trauma that the bigger gloves produce.

[richardt]

It's how the energy is being transferred into the skull. A smaller surface area causes more local damage rather than piercing concussive damage that forces the brain to rattle around in the skull. That's why you see more cuts and superficial damage and fractures of the facial bones in mma. With a larger surface area it's evenly distributed to a larger area of the skull forcing the brain to move more. So the more accurate you are with mma gloves the easier to get the ko when you hit pivotal points like the chin or temple but the odds of hitting those buttons in order to get the brain moving as often and violently as boxing gloves is lower. Larger surface area easier to get the head to move in a way that damages the brain, smaller surface area causes more damage to the structure of the skull and cause superficial damage unless you hit a pivotal weakpoint.

Exactly! Easier to KO a guy with the smaller gloves because of speed and accuracy with striking pinpoints, but easier to jar the brain with the bigger gloves and bigger gloves protect more area for defense against a KO punch, but not against the jarring causing brain movement of the bigger gloves.

[juggernaut666]

Dana White used to say that the reason boxers died frequently and had more concussions than MMA fighters, is because the boxing gloves are so heavy and combined with your punching power, it was more deadly than MMA gloves.

But lately allot of people have been saying that the only reason Connor is hitting so hard in MMA, is because the gloves are smaller and doesnt have as much padding.

As far as what Dana said about concussions and boxing gloves, I see his point.

But Im conflicted because I also feel that if you hit someone with bareknuckle or little to know padding, that it would hurt more because its raw knuckles crashing onto the target.

Can someone break this down!?

Boxing the SPORT ITSELF is basically head strikes ...THATS why boxing has more deaths (repeated brain jarring ) It has nothing to do with the gloves .

A power puncher will in all likely hood hit harder with boxing gloves unless they are overly padded vs an MMA glove . I dont believe McGregor will hit as hard in this Mayweather fight bc of the proposed gloves that are being used which are the more padded 10 oz . ones that Floyd wants .

MMA gloves have a harder surface at 4 oz but also MUCH less wrist and hand protection so a fighter can actually swing harder with boxing gloves . Really it comes down to the fighter and being used to bigger gloves .

In short , McGregor is at a big disadvantage here . He needs to really concentrate on developing power punching with 16oz gloves on a minimum 150 pnd HB .....and i havent seen him do that ,he has piddy pat training and hes not out pointing Mayweather !

McGregor is more speed than power ,hes also very accurate with 4 oz gloves but he wont be THAT guy in a boxing ring .

[fatboy33]

its because in MMA they stop the fight if you get knocked out cold

in Boxing they let the guy continue if he can

thats why there is more brain damage in boxing...

ALSO: MMA its not always direct shots to the head. theres knees/elbows/kicks to the body.. submission grappling, chokes, armlocks, all that stock. if you are an MMA fighter, your head is hit way less than in boxing

its just easier to get knocked out in MMA because of the smaller gloves, but the brain damage comes from repeated shots