Comments Thread For: Pacquiao-Horn Investigation: WBO Backs Scores, Explains Why

[HennyBogan]

Got to give you an A for effort but 5 days Into your campaign, nobody Is buying It.



Bob Velin (USA Today) – 115-112 Pacquiao

Nick Tylwalk (FanSided) – 116-112 Pacquiao

Steve Bunce (BoxNation) – 115-113 Horn

Mike Sloan (Sherdog) – 116-111 Pacquiao

Gary Randall (Sherdog) – 116-112 Horn

Mike Fridley (Sherdog) – 115-112 Horn

Gary Parrish (CBS Sports) – Pacquiao won

Brian Campbell (CBS Sports) – 114-114

Jason McIntyre (Fox Sports 1) – Pacquiao won

Dieter Kurtenbach (Fox Sports) – Pacquiao won

Skip Bayless (Fox Sports) – Horn won

Josh Katzowitz (Forbes) – 115-112 Pacquiao

Brian Mazique (Forbes) – 114-114

Fraser Coffeen (Bloody Elbow) – 116-112 Pacquiao

Anton Tabuena (Bloody Elbow) – Pacquiao won

Bad Left Hook – 116-111 and 115-113 Pacquiao

Mike Coppinger (Ring Magazine) – Pacquiao won

Michael Rosenthal (Ring Magazine) – 116-112 Pacquiao

Ryan ******** (Ring Magazine and Rappler) – 117-110 Pacquiao

Doug Fischer (Ring Magazine) – 116-112 or 115-113 Pacquiao

Tom Gray (Ring Magazine) – “Had Horn wide mate.”

Mike Baca II (Ring Magazine and Undisputed Champion Network) – “I’ve already rewatched. 115-113 Pac was the lowest I could go…”

Steve Kim (Undisputed Champion Network) – Pacquiao won

Lance Pugmire (LA Times) – 116-112 Pacquiao

Boxing News – 115-113 Pacquiao (Verdict: Close fight, no robbery)

Michael Wilbon (ESPN) – Pacquiao won

Dan Rafael (ESPN) – 117-111 Pacquiao

Marcellus Wiley (ESPN) – Pacquiao won

Ramona Shelburne (ESPN) – Pacquiao won

Nigel Collins (ESPN) – 114-113 Pacquiao (“Disagree w/ the “robbery” talk.”)

Stephen A. Smith (ESPN) – Pacquiao robbed!!!!

Teddy Atlas (ESPN) – 116-111 Pacquiao

Arash markazi (ESPN) – Pacquiao won

T.J. Quinn (ESPN) – Pacquiao won (“This is a hometown hit job. Manny looked old, but mostly in control.”)

Salvador Rodriguez (ESPN) – 116-112 Pacquiao

Greg Bishop (Sports Illustrated) – 117-111 Pacquiao

Al Bernstein (Showtime Sports) – “I could see a draw or close for Pac”

Chris Mannix (Yahoo! Sports) – Pacquiao won

Kevin Iole (Yahoo! Sports) – 115-113 for Pacquiao

Gareth A. Davies (The Telegraph) – 115-113 Pacquiao

Jay Cowan (Spike Sports) – 115-112 Pacquiao

Marcos Villegas (Fight Hub TV) – “I had him (Pacquiao) up by one point.”

Jonathan Snowden (Bleacher Report) – “I had Manny Pacquiao in a close fight.”

BoxingScene – 116-112 Pacquiao

Ryan Phillips (The Big Lead) – 116-111 Pacquiao

Lennox Lewis – Pacquiao won

Lou DiBella (promoter) – 116-112 Pacquiao

DJ Gallo (The Guardian) – 117-111 pacquiao

Ben Thompson (Fight Hype) – 115-112 Pacquiao

Jeff Powell (The Daily Mail) – Pacquiao robbed

Bob Sheridan (commentator) – 114-114

Paulie Malignaggi – “I had horn by a point…”

Eric Raskin (Former writer for ESPN and Grantland) – 114-114

Graham Houston (Boxing Monthly) – 114-114 (“Cd. have gone either way.”)

Martin Chesnutt (Boxing Monthly) – 115-112 Pacquiao (“…but was comfortable with 115-113 either way.”)

Andrew Harrison (Boxing Monthly) – 116-113 Horn

Adam Abramowitz (Saturday Night Boxing and Transnational Boxing Rankings board member) – 116-111 Pacquiao

Rafael G (The Fight City) – “Pacquiao won by 2 or 3 points.”

Lee Wylie (The Fight City) – Pacquiao won (“…certainly not a robbery. Close fight.”)

Patrick Connor (BWAA/IBRO member) – Pacquiao won

Michael Montero (Montero On Boxing) – 116-112 Pacquiao

Behind the Gloves – 117-110 Pacquiao

Erik Morales – Pacquiao robbed

Juan Manuel Marquez – 116-112 Pacquiao

Timothy Bradley – Pacquiao won (very close fight)

Guillermo Rigondeaux – Pacquiao won

Just an honest question, how many of the people listed above are qualified judges of championship bouts?

[jas]

Lol at people giving this credence

Wbo are obviously going to urge their judges to score favourably for horn because it gives credibility to their 3 judges and it goes along with what arum said. I think a big indication of this is how all 5 judges in this review gave the 12th round to horn. Arum himself said horn won the 12th and thats what won him the fight . PAC outlanded horn in that round and landed the more cleaner ,more damaging blows in that round.

Arum and wbo have a close and therefore corrupt relationship. If PAC was not his way out and still arums cash cow the review would say PAC won clearly

Laughable but not surprising that so called knowledgeable hardcore boxing fans follow whatever a sanctioning body says simply because they are in a position of authority.

If the review is free of any corruption then its worrying that judges are so incompetent.

[ironmt]

Just an honest question, how many of the people listed above are qualified judges of championship bouts?

They are a little more qualified than members on this forum IMO. If you were discussing boxing, would you take the word of Juan Manuel Marquez, Tim Bradley and Eric Morales or the word of a member on this forum who has an agenda?

[Lomasexual]

So 8 judges are either incompetent or corrupt

or

some monkey mashing a compubox button is incompetent or corrupt.

The first option is basically a conspiracy theory. If you believe in conspiracy theories, then there is no hope for you.

[jas]

Just an honest question, how many of the people listed above are qualified judges of championship bouts?

Your argument is judges score better than people following the sport?

What makes you hold judges in such high regard?

They have received training? I watch championship bouts. Why doesn't that make me just as qualified as an official judge?

I'm generally a better scorer than judges because I'm not corrupt for one

[HennyBogan]

They are a little more qualified than members on this forum IMO. If you were discussing boxing, would you take the word of Juan Manuel Marquez, Tim Bradley and Eric Morales or the word of a member on this forum who has an agenda?

You didn't answer the question, how many are qualified boxing judges?

[jas]

So 8 judges are either incompetent or corrupt

or

some monkey mashing a compubox button is incompetent or corrupt.

The first option is basically a conspiracy theory. If you believe in conspiracy theories, then there is no hope for you.

Why do people keep bringing up compubox?

The tape doesn't lie.

If you watch the fight you can clearly see PAC landed more blows and did more damage in more rounds than horn did.

Conspiracy theory? Are you denying arum and wbo have a corrupt relationship? Arum had Floyd stripped after he beat Manny. Take a look at top ranks fighters. They mostly fight for the wbo. Or is that ok and doesn't exist because someone in authority in boxing with an official job title isn't spelling it out to you?

[Lester Tutor]

Why do people keep bringing up compubox?

The tape doesn't lie.

If you watch the fight you can clearly see PAC landed more blows and did more damage in more rounds than horn did.

Conspiracy theory? Are you denying arum and wbo have a corrupt relationship? Arum had Floyd stripped after he beat Manny. Take a look at top ranks fighters. They mostly fight for the wbo. Or is that ok and doesn't exist because someone in authority in boxing with an official job title isn't spelling it out to you?

more blows yeah right. This fight was neck to neck. I tried to edit any landed punches from Pac in the first half of the fight...Pac wasn't jack just parading around in the canvas making fun of Horn while still getting tagged.

[Lomasexual]

Why do people keep bringing up compubox?

The tape doesn't lie.

If you watch the fight you can clearly see PAC landed more blows and did more damage in more rounds than horn did.

Conspiracy theory? Are you denying arum and wbo have a corrupt relationship? Arum had Floyd stripped after he beat Manny. Take a look at top ranks fighters. They mostly fight for the wbo. Or is that ok and doesn't exist because someone in authority in boxing with an official job title isn't spelling it out to you?

What are your thoughts on jet fuel being able to melt steel beams?

[ironmt]

You didn't answer the question, how many are qualified boxing judges?

"Qualified Judges"

1. Eugenia Williams
2. CJ Ross
3. Mickey Vann
4. Franz Marti
5. Donald Givens
6. Hilton Whitaker Jr
7. Al Bennet


I could go on and on and on.

Being qualified means nothing.