Anthony Joshua Reveals How A Fight With Mike Tyson Would Go

[juggernaut666]

I was initially going to stop responding to Bluepete after my previous comment but I then changed my decision because at this point, I'm actually enjoying responding to this user. Not only are his / her points EXTREMELY easy to refute / address, but some of them are EXTREMELY hilarious. Thus, I'm now doing it partly out of entertainment and fun.

So I guess I'll keep it going.

Its the "i want to be the smartest guy in the room" obsession .

Unfortunatley for him in this particular topic hes going against common sense . lol


Ive only been posting back to him for the same reasons as you can now see .Im not sure what moronic and bait and switch reply he last posted .As you can see he makes accusations then when you show them or refute it with proof he then claims he didnt want to answer them or just flat out denies shyte or completely adds false points claiming you made them.....

SLIPPERY Pete ! lol

....ahhh it looks like another skim job with his mile long rehash of empty points .Glad you are actually breaking them down bc i wouldn't bother at this point . As stated hes turned into a D level troll mid way through this thread just to make himself think hes right ...key word THINK !

I didnt get to your last reply yet which does take thinking to address ,unlike Petes easy odd ball logic here .

[bluepete]

Its the "i want to be the smartest guy in the room" obsession .

Unfortunatley for him in this particular topic hes going against common sense . lol


Ive only been posting back to him for the same reasons as you can now see .Im not sure what moronic and bait and switch reply he last posted .As you can see he makes accusations then when you show them or efute with it with proof he then claims he didnt want to answer them or just flat out denies shyte or completely adds false points claiming you made them.....

SLIPPERY Pete ! lol

....ahhh it looks like another skim job with his mile long rehash of empty points .Glad you are actually breaking them down bc i wouldn't bother at this point . As stated hes turned into a D level troll mid way through this thread just to make himself think hes right ...key word THINK !

I didnt get to your last reply yet which does take thinking to address ,unlike Petes easy odd ball logic here .

Talk amongst yourselves about me why don't you? Not slippery really as I addressed the Toney thing.You didn't because I haven't seen mention of Lewis Golota. You two may have a great friendship developing and I'm glad I brought you together. Some old tripe about weight and no reason given on the massive discrepancies we see between two men of the same weight and why their weight doesnt absorb trauma the same. No explanation as to why we have 300lb men who don't hit like men 70lb smaller when this huge difference is apparently the reason for weight divisions, because the much bigger man must have more power, especially with such an exaggerated weight difference. So much expertise, so few explanations..

[bluepete]

I was initially going to stop responding to Bluepete after my previous comment but I then changed my decision because at this point, I'm actually enjoying responding to this user. Not only are his / her points EXTREMELY easy to refute / address, but some of them are EXTREMELY hilarious. Thus, I'm now doing it partly out of entertainment and fun.

So I guess I'll keep it going.

Glad you're enjoying yourself mate, I must admit it's a slow TV day.. What did you think of Conor Mcgregors comment about Floyds little head and how the guys with the big thick heads take punches better? 🤔

[bluepete]

Its the "i want to be the smartest guy in the room" obsession .

Unfortunatley for him in this particular topic hes going against common sense . lol


Ive only been posting back to him for the same reasons as you can now see .Im not sure what moronic and bait and switch reply he last posted .As you can see he makes accusations then when you show them or refute it with proof he then claims he didnt want to answer them or just flat out denies shyte or completely adds false points claiming you made them.....

SLIPPERY Pete ! lol

....ahhh it looks like another skim job with his mile long rehash of empty points .Glad you are actually breaking them down bc i wouldn't bother at this point . As stated hes turned into a D level troll mid way through this thread just to make himself think hes right ...key word THINK !

I didnt get to your last reply yet which does take thinking to address ,unlike Petes easy odd ball logic here .

BTW, there would be no prizes for being the smartest guy in this room. We got "Tyson gets swatted like a fly" man and weve got " Lennox Lewis best pre Ruddock opponent was Mike Dixon" guy. I feel very comfortable amongst such knowledgeable giants. ��

[Mr Objecitivity]

I don't need your advice on how to present my facts. I don't need to see much numbers wise to know how little someone who compares the dismal heavyweight record of Valuev to the hall of fame record of Holyfield and thinks Holyfields is better, "not by much" doesn't know much about the actual sport. Everybody knows size is an advantage in boxing, and that bigger men tend to be heavier. This doesn't prove that that's because chin and power are due to weight,that's what you are taking away from it. But again, you are a man who dismisses different stages of career or level of opponent in each and every discussion. Haye may hit as hard as Cooper, maybe not, but then he wobbled Valuev with hes left hook, which wasn't he's power punch. "The Haye maker" as he calls it, is yes right hand. He never caught Valuev with a full force right hand in the entire fight, because Valuev is hard to hit correctly, so much so, Adam Booth needed stilts to hold the pads to ready Haye for for fight. This may contribute as much as anything else to the fact he was never stopped, but you'd rather site weight. Also the fact that Cooper caught Holyfield with a full force flush right, he's best punch, changes the equation again does it not? How do you compare the chin of a man who was hit with another best shot went down and then survived to win a fight, to a man who fought a puncher, who never caught him with he's best punch, who was caught with an inferior punch, wobbles but goes on to lose? From this information, you get that Valuev has the better chin than Holyfield. See how what you see on paper misleads you? Men don't tend to fight guys 50lb heavier because of the overall size difference involved in these contests that don't pertain to chin or power necessarily anyway. Even though we have smaller men like Conn giving up 40lbs to Joe Louis and leading going into round 13,yiy find it hard to imagine supermiddle Toney or in fact any sub 200lb Toney handling heavies, not due to skill, but to he's chin letting him down. This is nonsense. Often men give away even more than 50lb at heavy without being blown away or disadvantaged, sometimes they blast the bigger man out. What is at play here if your rule holds true. If head trauma was due to bodyweight then the biggest would have the best chin as a rule, and all men of 275 like Price would have similar advantages over a man Hayes size as you think all heavyweights have over supermiddles. It doesn't work that way, this is why gaining weight has never made a guys chin improve and adding 20lb never made anyone a better puncher. As for the appeal to authority, I would gladly appeal to the authority of a cardiologist over a man who has read alot of books about it and happily do the same as far as guys like Chuvalo Lamotta and trainers like Steward over a nobody who has time to write very nicely written pieces on a website but who thinks Tyson would be a "minor annoyance" to Joshua. You give me the stats and Ill give you what happened in the ring, in reality on any given day, as well as a theory of chin proved by head scans in at least two people who had some of the greatest chins in the sport. Funny how we have Chavez and Hagler unified by this feature and other great chins Chuvalo and Lamotta feeling this is what also gave them great chins. The we have you, saying weight is the factor, but unable to explain the chinny big man and why he can't absorb the trauma of a iron chinnee small man. Over to you MrDawkins.

1) I wasn't advising you on how to present your facts. Instead, I was asking you to substantiate your claims. Which I have every right to do because claims are only acceptable until they can be substantiated with sound and valid logic. Otherwise, they have no room in a debate / discussion as something to be expected.

2) You keep claiming x, y or z, but until you can substantiate your claims, they hold very little worth in a discussion / debate. So until you can substantiate the claim that Nikolai Valuev's heavyweight record is 'dismal' compared to Holyfield's, your claims remain to continue holding very little or no worth / value. Just because I don't blindly accept that Holyfield is good as you're claiming doesn't mean I understand the sport any less.

3) Then why do weight divisions exist if not for separating boxers with different punch power and resistance? In addition, why do many boxers have their KO percentage against heavier opponents lower than against lighter opposition?

4) You don't know if I am a man, woman or a robot or an Alien. So I suggest you avoid making assumptions about me please.

5) How am I dismissing different stages of career or level of opposition when my statistics take into consideration each and every one of the boxers I complied stats for, their entire career? My stats take into consideration the KO record of a boxer's entire career.

6) David Haye has a MUCH higher KO percentage than Bert Cooper. So based on ACTUAL evidence, he does hit harder. There's NO WAY to know for ABSOLUTE certainty who punches with the highest force in an output value sense. However, records give us the next best understanding of the quality of a puncher.

7) You can keep making irrelevant excuses but the fact is, Nikolai Valuev has never been dropped in his entire career (especially by the same caliber of a boxer like Bert Cooper) whilst Holyfield has in multiple occassions. Thus, never getting knocked down > gettind knocked down multiple times. Thus, Nikolai Valuev's punch resistance > Evander Holyfield's punch resistance.

8) Julius Long was just as tall as Nikolai Valuev, yet look as his record. He has been knocked out multiple times. So the excuse of height protecting a boxer from getting knocked out isn't as significant as you're making it out to be.

9) You can have rare cases where a boxer with a 40 (or more) pound weight disadvantage beats a heavier boxer. However, the evidence suggests that the heavier boxer has a MUCH higher percentage of wins over lighter opponents than vice versa. So one, two or even three examples of a lighter boxer beating a heavier boxer doesn't prove that being heavier isn't a SIGNIFICANT advantage because the heavier boxers have a even HIGHER win record over lighter boxers than vice versa.

10) You're speculating with your own personal opinions / conclusions about how James Toney would've done against heavyweights whilst weighing below 200 hundred pounds himself. The fact is, in the modern day, James Toney (or anybody else for that matter) wouldn't be allowed to step into the ring against a heavyweight weighing 200 pounds according to the rules of boxing. Your baseless personal beliefs / thoughts / conclusions are irrelevant. In the past, it may have been allowed (when heavyweights weren't as evolved as modern heavyweights). However, it isn't allowed today.

11) As a rule, the heaviest boxers do have the best punch resistance, which is evident by the fact that they get knocked out less than lighter boxers on average.

12) Your logic is severely flawed. You've just committed a 'FALSE DILEMMA' LOGICAL FALLACY. Of course not ALL heavier boxers are going to have the advantage over lighter boxers. There are ALWAYS exceptions in boxing. It's a case of heavier boxer having the advantage MORE OFTEN than vice versa. David Haye is an exceptional light boxer. Not every light boxer is like David Haye.

13) 'APPEALING TO AUTHORITY' is a logical fallacy. So using it any situation (unless in a situation where evidence is also delivered by the individual in authority) leads to a flawed conclusion. Thus, they aren't valid / sound and therefore can be disregarded / ignored. So merely claiming boxer x or trainer x said this, therefore it's true isn't sound & valid logic. It's a fallacy! Until you can show ACTUAL sound & valid logic based evidence, your claims hold no worth / value. So if you wish to continue exposing your lack of logic, keep using logical fallacies such as appealing to authority.

14) Ad Hominem (personal attack) is also a logical fallacy. Who I am or what I personally do outside of this discussion has no relevance to my arguments in here. Thus, my arguments aren't any less valid / correct because of this. Such things don't invalidate my arguments in here. So why do you need to bring up points about my writing style and how much time I have? How does any of that make my arguments any less true / correct / valid? Perhaps take a logic course because your understanding and competency in logic is appalling?

15) I've already taken the point back about Mike Tyson being a 'minor annoyance' to Anthony Joshua. So why are you still bringing this up?

16) My stats reflect what happens in the ring. How are you going to 'give' me what happened in the ring? By writing a huge single paragraph of multiple unsubstantiated claims? Erm, OKAY!

17) It is not JUST me saying weight is a factor, but the group / individuals that came up with the rules of boxing. They've decided to divide boxers into weight division, not me. So if you have a problem with weight divisions, then take it up with them and not me. I'm just analyzing boxing exactly how it is now. So because weight divisions exist today, I will analyze weight. However, if in the future, head size divisions or skull thickness divisions are to exist and weight divisions were not to exist anymore, I will likewise analyze head size divisions and skull thickness divisions then whilst abandoning analysis of weight.

[Mr Objecitivity]

Talk amongst yourselves about me why don't you? Not slippery really as I addressed the Toney thing.You didn't because I haven't seen mention of Lewis Golota. You two may have a great friendship developing and I'm glad I brought you together. Some old tripe about weight and no reason given on the massive discrepancies we see between two men of the same weight and why their weight doesnt absorb trauma the same. No explanation as to why we have 300lb men who don't hit like men 70lb smaller when this huge difference is apparently the reason for weight divisions, because the much bigger man must have more power, especially with such an exaggerated weight difference. So much expertise, so few explanations..

I already knew juggernaut666 from before. So no, you didn't do anything new here. As for 'friendship', we don't need to be friends to have a mutual understanding of how incompetent you are in various different departments (which you yourself are exposing in public).

[Mr Objecitivity]

Its the "i want to be the smartest guy in the room" obsession .

Unfortunatley for him in this particular topic hes going against common sense . lol


Ive only been posting back to him for the same reasons as you can now see .Im not sure what moronic and bait and switch reply he last posted .As you can see he makes accusations then when you show them or refute it with proof he then claims he didnt want to answer them or just flat out denies shyte or completely adds false points claiming you made them.....

SLIPPERY Pete ! lol

....ahhh it looks like another skim job with his mile long rehash of empty points .Glad you are actually breaking them down bc i wouldn't bother at this point . As stated hes turned into a D level troll mid way through this thread just to make himself think hes right ...key word THINK !

I didnt get to your last reply yet which does take thinking to address ,unlike Petes easy odd ball logic here .

That user's understanding of basic science and logic has been exposed to be dreadful to almost of a toddler's level. I've seen children with better understanding of logic and science. If he / she is a troll, then one of the best ways to beat a troll is to beat them at their own game. That's one of the things I've learnt. We'll see how far that user goes. At this point, it seems like desperate measures and clutching at straws are coming to trigger

[Mr Objecitivity]

Glad you're enjoying yourself mate, I must admit it's a slow TV day.. What did you think of Conor Mcgregors comment about Floyds little head and how the guys with the big thick heads take punches better? 🤔

No problem! I don't watch much TV. Instead, I build televisions and computers for a living. So I have plenty of things to enjoy.

As far as what someone else said, I could care less. You should be able to guess by now that I only deal with valid and sound logic. Otherwise, I don't value them.

[D4thincarnation]

Tyson had a solid chin, great head movement fast hands, liked fighting taller guys and loved to land that uppercut.

Joshua neither has the chin or defence not to get caught.

Joshua got power but but less chance of him landing on Tyson and with Tyson's chin he would have to land a few

[bluepete]

No problem! I don't watch much TV. Instead, I build televisions and computers for a living. So I have plenty of things to enjoy.

As far as what someone else said, I could care less. You should be able to guess by now that I only deal with valid and sound logic. Otherwise, I don't value them.

You don't deal with valid or sound logic. You talk nonsense. Nobody who knows anything about boxing thinks Tyson would be a minor annoyance to any fighter. I don't care what you do for a living,I'm talking to someone who thinks that carrying extra weight, even if it's useless fat around their waist, adds to their power and durability. Again, bigger, in general is harder to stop. Not always due to chin. Bigger in general has, even from a skill perspective more opportunities to land punches and stop an opponent. Not always due to power. Bigger is generally heavier. Adding more weight doesnt increase chin or power. This is the truth that people in the game know.