Admit It - Pac Looked Like ****!

[Ray Corso]

I'm surprised the "size is everything" forum isn't mentioning that Manny gave away a huge size advantage and that how Horn won!
The kid said it right after the fight that he controlled the distance and he did!
When you watch a sloppy looking bout and the accuracy isn't very good it makes everything thats going on look bad! Well this kid did a great job at turning Manny, holding him and leaning on him. He roughed him up and got respect from Manny as the fight moved on.

This kid isn't going to challenge Spence but the rest of the welters just might be in for an awkward night with by todays standards a "big welter".
5' 91/2" and he struggled to make 147 so Manny was probably in with a 165-68lb opponent. I doubt Pac was 153lbs.

This kid style against Pacman screwed Pac up and it showed.
Now he is 38 yrs old and with 65+ bouts he's far from prime but he was in shape because the kids strength and the heat in the stadium was a factor.
Not easy "picking up the pennies" when your old, it hurts!

Ray

[*TonyMontana*]

I was wondering this today...wtf happened to his combinations?? Dude used to throw mesmerizing combinations...now he doesn't even throw them. He did the same **** against Vargas.

Hearts gone from the game

[Strategic1]

Against big guys like Margs and clottey .. Pac blitzed them with punches they couldn't see set up with fast footwork and punches from all angles.

He didn't have the ability to blitz Horn... He still out boxed him but Horn was walking through him rather than being confused as Margs and Clottey.

Can't blitz the big guys anymore.

[Gate keeper]

He looked like he trained to fight a school teacher named Jeff Horn. He overlooked Horn. But he still beat him

Lol...just doesn't get any truer than that does it

[hugh grant]

PAC looked in keeping with any all time great at 38 who stated at flyweuight.
Flyweight aren't fighting at 38 or aren't any good.

[HarvardBlue]

I just don't think he has the stamina any longer to maintain the kind of effort he put forth In the 9th round.

I think Pacquiao's problem is his concentration. He was throwing punches they just weren't landing like they did in the 9th. Once he saw them landing (in the 9th) he poured it on. He wouldn't be able maintain that pace but if he was connecting more often in the previous rounds he wouldn't need that kind of output in the the 9th.

We also have to give it up to Horn. He had plenty of opportunities to get overwhelmed by the moment but he kept his composure and kept the fight close. He didn't win but you have to blame the judges for that.

[ironmt]

I think Pacquiao's problem is his concentration. He was throwing punches they just weren't landing like they did in the 9th. Once he saw them landing (in the 9th) he poured it on. He wouldn't be able maintain that pace but if he was connecting more often in the previous rounds he wouldn't need that kind of output in the the 9th.

We also have to give it up to Horn. He had plenty of opportunities to get overwhelmed by the moment but he kept his composure and kept the fight close. He didn't win but you have to blame the judges for that.

I absolutely agree, good post.

[Spoon23]

I'm surprised the "size is everything" forum isn't mentioning that Manny gave away a huge size advantage and that how Horn won!
The kid said it right after the fight that he controlled the distance and he did!
When you watch a sloppy looking bout and the accuracy isn't very good it makes everything thats going on look bad! Well this kid did a great job at turning Manny, holding him and leaning on him. He roughed him up and got respect from Manny as the fight moved on.

This kid isn't going to challenge Spence but the rest of the welters just might be in for an awkward night with by todays standards a "big welter".
5' 91/2" and he struggled to make 147 so Manny was probably in with a 165-68lb opponent. I doubt Pac was 153lbs.

This kid style against Pacman screwed Pac up and it showed.
Now he is 38 yrs old and with 65+ bouts he's far from prime but he was in shape because the kids strength and the heat in the stadium was a factor.
Not easy "picking up the pennies" when your old, it hurts!

Ray

Good point. Horn was a "Big Welter" in there. Pac was being wrestled under the heat of the sun by a bigger man. Horn was awkward in his movements, and caused a lot of fouls when they got close, resulting to Pac having a hard time timing him and couldn't throw combinations as a result of Horn's awkward style.

[dibzvincent143]

Did Pac even train for the fight, he looked like garbage. Pac gave up his ring generalship in the first round! Pac threw no jabs, no body punches, he didnt set up anything all night..all he did was react to what Horn was doing and tried to land the left.

I wouldn't even call Manny Horn's biggest threat in that fight, it was clearly the glare of sunlight, heat, and fatigue! Manny fought the championship rounds, 10, 11, 12 horribly, was he even trying to win? Don't seem like it to me!

The way I see it Manny loss the first half of the fight and even got hurt in the 6th. Horn fatigued in the middle rounds and was on the verge of being stopped but then went on to win the championship rounds!

Yes he did. One of the biggest errors of team pac is they still want pac to that blitzing all angle offense when clearly he doesnt have the attributes to do that for the past few years.
He doenst have the energy, nor the chin for that anymore.
They didnt evolve their man's.
They still fighting a physical fight even at 38.

[BrometheusBob.]

Yeah no doubt

Much like round 10 of Pac-Algieri, round 10 of this fight was disappointing. In both cases Pac put a hurting on his opponent in the previous round and then came out and looked docile.

He just not the same no mo