Comments Thread For: Arum Not Angry: Pacquiao-Horn Could Have Gone Either Way

[BigStomps]

Manny vs Horn 2 in the philippines or australia is most likely im guessing

I'm afraidv your probably right

[ShoulderRoll]

YES ARUM IS A CONNECTED WASHINGTON PLAYER! FORMER FEDERAL PROSECUTOR! THOSE TYPE OF PEOPLE ALWAYS SLITHER OUT OF INVESTIGATIONS! ESPECIALLY IN A SPORT LIKE BOXING WHICH NO ONE IN THE MAIN STREAM CARES ABOUT!

Arum has fired matchmaker Sean Gibbons.
Gibbons, who did not return messages, was fired Monday.
"He is not an employee any longer. I am not going to comment on any reason," Arum attorney Richard Wright said Wednesday.
Gibbons' name was among those on a search warrant under which the FBI raided Arum's Las Vegas offices last week as part of an ongoing 20-month probe in conjunction with the New York City police that is looking into possible fight fixing, medical document fraud, scale tampering and illegal transport of Mexican fighters to the USA.
An Oklahoma native and cousin of former lightweight champion-turned-broadcaster Sean O'Grady, Gibbons had as a key responsibility finding opponents for the young boxers Top Rank was building up on its roughly 50 cards a year.
Gibbons, 37, who reported to head matchmaker Bruce Trampler, also found opponents for Eric "Butterbean" Esch, the popular 300-plus pound heavyweight attraction who used to fight for Top Rank. Several of his fights are in question.
Gibbons also is close with lightweight Verdell Smith, whose 2001 rematch with Jorge Paez is under scrutiny. Paez won the fight, which was nationally televised on Spanish-language network TeleFutura, via third-round stoppage.
Gibbons' name has come up in connection with previous fight-fixing allegations. According to a 1999 Miami Herald investigation, Gibbons asked two heavyweights to throw fights.
Heavyweight Andre Smiley said Gibbons offered him extra $500 during a fight if he would go down.
Heavyweight Mike Smith said Gibbons regularly fixed fights. TheHerald quoted Smith from a 1997 Oklahoma Department of Labor investigative report: "Sean (Gibbons) would say, 'They not gonna pay you if you win,' you know. So I had to lose. ... I was ashamed, you know, to keep doing these things. I knew it wasn't right. I knew I wanted to win!"
Gibbons called the allegation "a complete lie" in The Herald story.
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Marco Antonio Barrera, the former featherweigh

Very interesting. Sean Gibbons is sketchy as hell.

Why is it only us fans who are noticing this, though? Where is the boxing media?

Are they bought and paid for or do they just not care to do their jobs properly?

[kushking]

if you want to get into the whole Bob Lee IBF thing, you have to take it into the proper context. Lee was extorting EVERYONE, not just Arum. If you wanted a fight sanctioned, you either paid his price, or you didnt get the sanction. Yes, Arum paid him. But to make it sound like Arum went around initiating bribes is disingenuous. He did what he had to do in order to conduct business.

As for "fixing
fights" these days, I dont believe for a second it happens the way some here think, with judges being paid off. The "fix", if any, is in the matchmaking. Experienced boxing people pretty much know how a certain fight is likely to go. I guarantee you that Horn was not supposed to beat Pac, anymore than Douglas was supposed to beat Tyson. It just happened that way. Bad judges, bad refereeing, and a sub-par performance from Pac opened the door for it. Personally I scored it 115-113 for Pac, but there were a few close rounds so MAYBE you could score a draw if you were being generous to Horn. But to me the REAL issue was the referee allowing Horn to foul all night. So I suppose Arum must have paid him off as well? Its absurd.

Bottom line is that I do not believe for a second that Arum, Oscar, Haymon, or anyone is paying off judges. I think we just have a system that doesnt really hold judges accountable, and doesnt establish true, meaningful scoring criteria, which leaves too much in the hands of inept, incompetent, or biased judges......

You are either badly informed or out of your mind. Arum testified that he would do this for decades,as did king,they both admitted it was business as usual. And it wasn't that you needed to bribe ibf official to get a fight sanctioned thats imbecilic BULLSHÎT ,he bribed him & admitted to bribing him in this instance BECAUSE he wanted to have goerge Foremans fight to be sanctioned even though he was facing a unranked opponent & was ibf/wba champ. Foreman vacated the wba BECAUSE they refused to sanction a huge cherrypick,while the ibf accepted the bribe & changed Schulz rank to #9.

And the irony is that mcgregor with zero experience was sanctioned vs mayweather with no problem,yet this guy who foreman was fighting named Schulz destroyed foreman & was robbed anyway,& schulz fought other hall of famers also.

Dont try to twist FACTS to suit your obvious agenda. Arum testified in court that bribing was a regular part of business, so you can cry foul all you want when someone calls him the currupt scumbag he is,but bottom line if a scumbag promoter has many dozens of robberies throughout his career, testified in court to regularly bribing officials,& has been sued by fighters he screwed over he has ZERO business being allowed in Boxing. You regularly have proven to have an agenda whereby you blindly see things how you want to.

Simply put Arum is at least equally currupt as ANYONE in boxing,& its no coincidence that he never seems to care when his fighters are robbed. If you cannot see that hes a completely untrustworthy dirtbag then your blind to put it lightly. Arum HAS ALWAYS BEEN RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THE SHÎT THAT HAPPENS IN HIS FIGHTS.

[p4ptbe]

Very interesting. Sean Gibbons is sketchy as hell.

Why is it only us fans who are noticing this, though? Where is the boxing media?

Are they bought and paid for or do they just not care to do their jobs properly?

when dan rafael tweets pictures having dinner at bob arums mansion that says it all doesnt it??when top rank started that tru tv series dan was sitting and having dinner at bobs house tweeting? sean gibbons is also salidos manager.... here is another article that i bet you have never read check it out! http://www.cbsnews.com/news/official...ers-out-of-ac/

[p4ptbe]

You are either badly informed or out of your mind. Arum testified that he would do this for decades,as did king,they both admitted it was business as usual. And it wasn't that you needed to bribe ibf official to get a fight sanctioned thats imbecilic BULLSHÎT ,he bribed him & admitted to bribing him in this instance BECAUSE he wanted to have goerge Foremans fight to be sanctioned even though he was facing a unranked opponent & was ibf/wba champ. Foreman vacated the wba BECAUSE they refused to sanction a huge cherrypick,while the ibf accepted the bribe & changed Schulz rank to #9.

And the irony is that mcgregor with zero experience was sanctioned vs mayweather with no problem,yet this guy who foreman was fighting named Schulz destroyed foreman & was robbed anyway,& schulz fought other hall of famers also.

Dont try to twist FACTS to suit your obvious agenda. Arum testified in court that bribing was a regular part of business, so you can cry foul all you want when someone calls him the currupt scumbag he is,but bottom line if a scumbag promoter has many dozens of robberies throughout his career, testified in court to regularly bribing officials,& has been sued by fighters he screwed over he has ZERO business being allowed in Boxing. You regularly have proven to have an agenda whereby you blindly see things how you want to.

thanks for this ETHER! but whats sad is dan rafael or steve kim or dougie fisher would never have the balls to write and expose what you just did...

[OnePunch]

You are either badly informed or out of your mind. Arum testified that he would do this for decades,as did king,they both admitted it was business as usual. And it wasn't that you needed to bribe ibf official to get a fight sanctioned thats imbecilic BULLSHÎT ,he bribed him & admitted to bribing him in this instance BECAUSE he wanted to have goerge Foremans fight to be sanctioned even though he was facing a unranked opponent & was ibf/wba champ. Foreman vacated the wba BECAUSE they refused to sanction a huge cherrypick,while the ibf accepted the bribe & changed Schulz rank to #9.

And the irony is that mcgregor with zero experience was sanctioned vs mayweather with no problem,yet this guy who foreman was fighting named Schulz destroyed foreman & was robbed anyway,& schulz fought other hall of famers also.

Dont try to twist FACTS to suit your obvious agenda. Arum testified in court that bribing was a regular part of business, so you can cry foul all you want when someone calls him the currupt scumbag he is,but bottom line if a scumbag promoter has many dozens of robberies throughout his career, testified in court to regularly bribing officials,& has been sued by fighters he screwed over he has ZERO business being allowed in Boxing. You regularly have proven to have an agenda whereby you blindly see things how you want to.

Simply put Arum is at least equally currupt as ANYONE in boxing,& its no coincidence that he never seems to care when his fighters are robbed. If you cannot see that hes a completely untrustworthy dirtbag then your blind to put it lightly. Arum HAS ALWAYS BEEN RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THE SHÎT THAT HAPPENS IN HIS FIGHTS.

where did I say Arum was a saint? All I said was that Lee was demanding money from EVERYONE, and thats how business at the IBF was done back then. Whether it was King, or Arum, or Kushner, whoever, if you wanted a certain sanction then you had to get out your wallet.

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Arum has fired matchmaker Sean Gibbons.
Gibbons, who did not return messages, was fired Monday.
"He is not an employee any longer. I am not going to comment on any reason," Arum attorney Richard Wright said Wednesday.
Gibbons' name was among those on a search warrant under which the FBI raided Arum's Las Vegas offices last week as part of an ongoing 20-month probe in conjunction with the New York City police that is looking into possible fight fixing, medical document fraud, scale tampering and illegal transport of Mexican fighters to the USA.
An Oklahoma native and cousin of former lightweight champion-turned-broadcaster Sean O'Grady, Gibbons had as a key responsibility finding opponents for the young boxers Top Rank was building up on its roughly 50 cards a year.
Gibbons, 37, who reported to head matchmaker Bruce Trampler, also found opponents for Eric "Butterbean" Esch, the popular 300-plus pound heavyweight attraction who used to fight for Top Rank. Several of his fights are in question.
Gibbons also is close with lightweight Verdell Smith, whose 2001 rematch with Jorge Paez is under scrutiny. Paez won the fight, which was nationally televised on Spanish-language network TeleFutura, via third-round stoppage.
Gibbons' name has come up in connection with previous fight-fixing allegations. According to a 1999 Miami Herald investigation, Gibbons asked two heavyweights to throw fights.
Heavyweight Andre Smiley said Gibbons offered him extra $500 during a fight if he would go down.
Heavyweight Mike Smith said Gibbons regularly fixed fights. TheHerald quoted Smith from a 1997 Oklahoma Department of Labor investigative report: "Sean (Gibbons) would say, 'They not gonna pay you if you win,' you know. So I had to lose. ... I was ashamed, you know, to keep doing these things. I knew it wasn't right. I knew I wanted to win!"
Gibbons called the allegation "a complete lie" in The Herald story.

SO WHAT WAS GIBBONS DOING BEHIND MANNY AT FIRST THEN BEHIND HORN BEFORE THE SCORES WERE EVEN READ? IS HE A MIND READER? LMFAOOOOOO

[kushking]

thanks for this ETHER! but whats sad is dan rafael or steve kim or dougie fisher would never have the balls to write and expose what you just did...

I'm actually working on some YouTube videos & articles to submit about this & many other things in boxing. I am compiling as much hard evidence as possible to demonstrate what a currupt dirtbag the NSAC/other sanctioning bodies/Arum & media like rafeal all are. Dan Rafael is a total pos dîckrider who picks & chooses who to hate on & who to ass lick. I cant stand that dirtbag,only teddy atlus is at least usually honest,but hes scared to rock the boat or hell lose his nestegg. Look how he was commentating arums event because he works 4 espn,hell never speak up against arum either.

[kushking]

where did I say Arum was a saint? All I said was that Lee was demanding money from EVERYONE, and thats how business at the IBF was done back then. Whether it was King, or Arum, or Kushner, whoever, if you wanted a certain sanction then you had to get out your wallet.

If you didn't mean it that way them my bad. I just thought your trying to make it seem like Arum is not among the most currupt dirtbags in Boxing history,just based on how long & how prominent hes always been in boxing.

[p4ptbe]

i'm actually working on some youtube videos & articles to submit about this & many other things in boxing. I am compiling as much hard evidence as possible to demonstrate what a currupt dirtbag the nsac/other sanctioning bodies/arum & media like rafeal all are. Dan rafael is a total pos dîckrider who picks & chooses who to hate on & who to ass lick. I cant stand that dirtbag,only teddy atlus is at least usually honest,but hes scared to rock the boat or hell lose his nestegg. Look how he was commentating arums event because he works 4 espn,hell never speak up against arum either.

yeah i noticed he stopped short of calling out the promoter like he has in the past! Also i remember dan rafael tweeting pictures of him having dinner at arums la mansion! It was when top rank started that garbage tru tv series lmfao! Those were the same days he was bashing pbc for horrible matchups smh! Steve kim worships bob arum and the ground he walks on! He might call him out for a bad match up but they do it with such reverence and respect like he is a godfather or something.... Whats your youtube channel... Kevin iole seems a bit more independent than dan and steve...