Comments Thread For: Pacquiao Gives Gennady Golovkin The Edge To Beat Canelo

[aboutfkntime]

Manny was invincible in 08-09 but it wasn't because no one could touch him. He was getting touched just walking through punches. To be honest it didn't seem natural. Marquez 3 was a stark difference in his physical appearance and his ability to take a punch. I guess that's when the stories about him womanizing, drinking, and ******** came out. I still don't think he beat Mayweather during those years but he wouldn't have fought so tentative and would've made it more competitive.

The only way he would've beat Canelo was to bring down to WW. Mayweather probably get KO if he got him down to that weight.

Pac would have NEVER fought Canelo

he refused to rematch Cotto at 150, no way would they fight Canelo

this is the myth-talk that I mentioned earlier

suddenly, Pacquiao would have simply walked through everyone in that era..... despite the fact that he was clearly matched very carefully and did not fight the dangerous guys who were on top of their game

they would not fight Mosley when he was #1..... they only looked at Mosley after Mayweather blitzed him

[Lester Tutor]

Well, Manny in his prime, was a gazillion times better than Canelo is, was and will ever be. So his opinion holds a lot of weight. Just compare Manny-Cotto and Canelo-Cotto. that will tell a lot.

BTW I just watched the Pacquiao-Cotto fight in its entirety, for the first time, yesterday.

Between Dec 2008 and Nov 2009, Pacquiao completely obliterated and, for all intents and purposes, ended the careers, by KO, of Oscar de la Hoya, Ricky Hatton and Miguel Cotto. The consequence was either retirement or losing their edge, never ever being the top fighters they were before facing Manny.

The beatings he gave these three boxers are beatings they NEVER ever had with anybody else, not even close to it.

THAT PACQUIAO, pretty much the vintage 2009 Paquiao, who had it all: youth, speed, power, will, killer instinct, capability of KOing way bigger opponents, that Pacquiao was IMO, a top 10 ATG. If he was American, I am sure many people would have him as #1 of all time, I mean EIGHT titles in different weight divisions? Just incredible.

That Pacquiao, age 30-31, was invincible.

That Pacquiao would have obliterated Mayweather easily. That was his best version. NOBODY, absolutely nobody could touch that version of Manny. In a twilight-zone kind of scenario, where you'd put prime Manny vs. Canelo at welterweight both in their prime (yes I know Canelo is a natural middle or super-middleweight but the only way they could have fought on even terms would have been at welterweight), Manny would have put a beating on Canelo so bad, that Canelo would have become irrelevant, because he isn't American. Same scenario, BUT REALITY, just replace Mayweather Jr. for any of the three fighters I mentioned, De la Hoya, Hatton, Cotto, and THAT MANNY would have put a beating so bad on Floyd, that he would have made him irrelevant as well, for the rest of his career. That's why that coward Floyd avoided Manny in his prime, time after time. He only had the "guts" to face him when he was done, after the robbery and brutal KO I describe below. And of course, it had to be in his country, city, his referee, his judges, his drug testing agency, his punch stats providers, his gloves, his show, his network, his everything. Even that super-diminished version of Manny, sent that coward Floyd to the ropes time and time again. And, to many people OUTSIDE THE US, Manny won that fight AMOF. Even that Manny, light years away from his best version.

But of course, after 2009, came the two events that damaged him emotionally and physically/emotionally later on, for good, and he never ever was the same, he lost his confidence and killer instinct:

1) The HUGE ROBBERY vs. Bradley, Jun 9 2012. This was a pre-designed robbery to help Mayweather Jr "regain" the P4P king status. This robbery was a milestone in boxing. It ended the P4P kingdom of Pacquiao and it also showed that ANY African American with some capability of becoming a super-star, or one who was already one, like Bradley or Floyd, could "defeat him" by robbery, as long as they went the distance.

This robbery pretty much destroyed Manny's legacy and of course his confidence. Emotionally, he never was the same after this.

2) The HUGE TRAUMATIZING KO vs. Marquez Dec 8, 2012. In that fight, Manny appeared, for some reason, to have finally recovered his speed, power, killer instinct. He was beating JMM real bad, although the one with the bigger power was actually JMM, who hit him less but every time he hit Manny clean, one could see how he hurt him. JMM had already KD Manny in spectacular fashion in the 3d round. That was a warning, but Manny kept attacking relentlessly.

So that BRUTAL PUNCH at the end of the 6th round, where Manny even looked dead at some point, was what finished his career completely. He would never ever be the same.

All was left after that, was leftovers and little hints of what was, IMHO, the greatest boxer in his generation, by far. The most talented, spectacular, special, exotic, most fan-friendly one.

Bottom line, his opinion is totally respectable. To me, GGG HAS TO obliterate Canelo. Because even if he beats him up, he will not win a decision, because boxing today is a business and Canelo is better business than GGG. GGG has to do to Canelo, exactly what Manny did to Cotto. Destroy him slowly, until the referee has no choice but to stop the fight, even if he waited too long until the 12th, and Manny was clearly very worried to keep hitting Cotto so bad and doing permanent damage to him (Manny just stood motionless many times in the last rounds, with his hands down, like telling the referee, why don't you stop this massacre already?, same exact thing hapened vs. Margarito years later).

GGG has to obliterate Canelo, just as Manny did Cotto. Simple as that. That's what logic dictates.

That's what logic dictates? I just read the first couple of paragraphs and just skipped to your conclusion. YDKSAB my friend.

If ANYBODY was untouchable was Miguel Cotto. The worst thing Miguel Cotto ever did was to sign with Top Rank. Of course TR helped his career for sure, by seeing how Top Rank manages its stable even as of late only a fool would think that Arum isn't a shady and sneaky as foook guy with contracts and matchmaking. Arum, the guy who said nobody wanted to watch Floyd...

Arum's bïtch ass probably knew about Margo's loaded gloves... you think Brook had it bad with GGG?!, that first Margo bout would take a toll or end most boxers careers if you're not A Level to then win titles at 154 and 160 ffs!! Ended his career? The fooooknare you talking about...smh..

You don't think TR didn't fix the fight so that Foreman could be a 154 champ? You think the Cotto vs Foreman bout was a joke? People complain how bouts are stopped nowadays... the whole Yuri Foremn act was just so that Top Rank could supposedly bank Big at Yankee Stadium but it flopped. Even Thomas Hauser down played it by blaming the ref... smh

If you haven't caught on as to why Boxing is corrupt, look no further, Top Rank is there!!

You say ended the career of Oscar? Do you even know which weights Oscar was fighting at before the PAC bout?! Lol. Alvarez isn't even the age that Oscar was when he fought PAC at 147... imagine Alvarez draining to a 147 bout years down the line...

Hatton ain't even remotely close to A level if you speak of Cotto or De La Hoya...

Cotto at a catch?! Cmon man...

Gullible fanboys that DKSAB

[HarvardBlue]

"No one could touch him" is a figure of speech. It means "no one was even as close as good as him." You are taking the phrase's meaning literally, which doesn't apply. Of course the opponents could "touch him" as in hit him clean. And they did. Because he fought LIKE A MAN, not like a coward, like Floyd always did.

Manny enjoyed trading with anyone, and his opponents when he was at his best, were almost always bigger than him. Taller. Bigger reach. And yet, he traded, he took risks.

You are implying that Manny was juicing, to be able to take those punches he took. Well, many say Floyd was juiced up vs. Manny. And still, he didn't do any damage to Manny when they finally "fought" --that is, when Manny tried to fight and Floyd clinched, ran and pot-shot--.

There's no proof Manny was juicing. Or Floyd for that matter. It's all hearsay. Manny never looked particularly muscular, bodybuilder-like, like Bradley and even Floyd did. Or JMM to a lesser degree, in their 4th meeting (Pac-JMM).

Juicing or not juicing, I still hold my opinion that that 2009 vintage Manny couldn't be touched, meaning he was the best by far (not that nobody could hit him clean). Many boxers have been actually caught juicing. And they never became top P4P fighters. Talent is needed as well, even if an athlete is using banned substances.

I think the GGG that obliterated Lemieux can't be touched at MW (again, can't be bested, not touched literally), just as the Manny that destroyed Cotto couldn't be either. I'm sure many people think the same way as I do. But Manny isn't American so there, I doubt it he will ever be put where he really belongs, a top 10 ATG. And if GGG destroys Canelo and shatters Hopkins' record later on, and retires undefeated, I'm sure he will not be put in there either. Just because he isn't American either.

I still maintain Mayweather could beat him at any point in his career. Pacquiao fought the only way he could which was to trade punches. He never focused on defense until Marquez almost decapitated him. When he did, you saw a fighter who was tentative and less aggressive than before.

I have no proof that Pacquiao or Mayweather used PEDs but I do know that its not uncommon to have a little help, especially at this level of competition. Only someone that's naive would still maintain the belief that they were beyond resorting to leveling the playing field.

Golovkin obliterated a very slow, one dimensional fighter. There's nothing special about Lemieux. Golovkin is good but he's not untouchable in the sense that you refer to because I think Jacobs beat him but never got the call because of the potential fight in September. I think Canelo will eek out a victory because the air of invincibility is gone from Golovkin. Canelo will take chances he wouldn't have taken now that he know Golovkin can be beaten.

[HarvardBlue]

Pac would have NEVER fought Canelo

he refused to rematch Cotto at 150, no way would they fight Canelo

this is the myth-talk that I mentioned earlier

suddenly, Pacquiao would have simply walked through everyone in that era..... despite the fact that he was clearly matched very carefully and did not fight the dangerous guys who were on top of their game

they would not fight Mosley when he was #1..... they only looked at Mosley after Mayweather blitzed him

I know. They just like to bring it up because Mayweather did it. Mayweather's victory over Canelo doesn't sit well with the Pacquiao fans. That's why they're so quick to say he was "drained" or he was "green."

[johny joe hdz]

Nelo's neck looks like that because his genetic was perhaps intended to be an 1 inch or 2 taller. Compared to his 7 brothers he is the shortest. If you look at the picture where all the brothers are posing together, Nelo's pants, although baggy, looks less muscular compared to his brothers. So he probably didn't eat correct growing up that growth spurt messed him up. This is why he seems stocky as his mother is a bit hefty... his upper torso is as big as his brothers, but his legs didn't grow as ideally intended to.

wow!! thanks bud..this was super well explained.. imagine canela two inches taller?? he'd be a nightmare to reckon with!!!!

[King Arthur]

Manny knows what time it is.