Originally posted by mr. bojangles
Most Fouls You've Seen In A Fight
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Off the Top of my head, Tyson-Ruddock II comes to mind. Hopkins-Echols II is another, though I don't remember how many fouls were committed in that one. There was won on ESPN in the mid-80's where the guy got disqualified for mashing this guy's nuts like every other round. IT's on my tenth aniversary tape of their Fight Series...before it was cancelled. Can't remember the guys name; but if anybody deserved to be beat to a pulp with a baseball bat in the parking lot afterwards, it was him. I remember the recipiant had red hair and a mustache and I think they were welterweights; but I'm not sure. Made Golota-Bowe look like a bad stoppage...both of 'em.Comment
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Originally posted by SquareCircleWhat about Hopkins' positives? Like, recognize his positives. I could make any fighter out there look like an ******* if I posted all his negatives, why don't you talk about how he's the best defensive fighter in the sport today? If that topic doesn't interest you, let's chat about how he's the most generally skilled fighter in the ring today. Mayweather doesn't compare to Hopkins when you talk about general ring skills.
A great fighter will foul when he has to, it shouldn't be considered a terrible thing. The greats will do what they have to do to win, of course Golata v Bowe and Hop's shot on Echols behind the head are way, way overboard. What I'm talking about is sneaking in a headbutt while you have a good bit of energy and are losing the fight, cause the cut, or lay in a good headbutt and then use that energy before the round is up. Hopkins did it vs Taylor and honestly, while it may appear to you to be a cheap, ugly move, to me I appreciated the strategy involved in it. Hopkins understood he was behind, and did everything he could to win, short of setting himself up to be knocked out. He got a good bit of energy, popped off an unintentional headbutt, got Taylor a nice little cut, then he suprised him while Taylor was suprised himself by the trickle of blood going down his face. You shouldn't hate fighters just for fighting dirty, unless they are named Golata, he takes it to a whole new level, 3-shot powerpunch combos on the **** & balls and ****.
I see your point. But its the way Hopkins bills himself for fights that annoys me. The way he speaks in interviews would make you think that he was a brawler and is gonna take guys out but he is actually a technical fighter with excellent defense and good counters. But he is also very blatantly dirty and uses a lot of rough house stuff that is really bad then wants to come off as the victim
I appreciate defensive fighters, Pernell is one of my favorites and I actually enjoyed James Tonys and PBF defensive abilites also. However there defensive abilities were show cased against guys bigger than themselves and stronger than themselves. Hopkins to my knowledge hasn't beaten a real middle weight great fighter, if his skills were in such abundance he should've taken out Taylor.
The thread was also about dirty fights and I dont think I'm wrong in saying that Hopkins vs Echols 2 was an extremely dirty fight for Hopkins. Roy Jones got DQ'd for a foul less aggrevis and intentional than what Hopkins did that fight.
As far as Golota, damn that man used Bowe's balls as a speed bag. But the crazy thing is that I think he was winning the fights and could've won if he never got DQ. I mean he is either really ****** or really unstable mentally.
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It depends.
If you consider excessive holding a foul, any Ruiz fight.
For low blows, I have to go with Hatton. I remember a fight a couple of years (I don't remember the opponent's name, but I think he was Irish) where Hatton threw 17 low blows (blatantly low) before ever drawing a caution from Micky Vann. He continued to hit low through the last 3 rounds without another caution.Comment
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Originally posted by K-DOGGOff the Top of my head, Tyson-Ruddock II comes to mind. Hopkins-Echols II is another, though I don't remember how many fouls were committed in that one. There was won on ESPN in the mid-80's where the guy got disqualified for mashing this guy's nuts like every other round. IT's on my tenth aniversary tape of their Fight Series...before it was cancelled. Can't remember the guys name; but if anybody deserved to be beat to a pulp with a baseball bat in the parking lot afterwards, it was him. I remember the recipiant had red hair and a mustache and I think they were welterweights; but I'm not sure. Made Golota-Bowe look like a bad stoppage...both of 'em.Comment
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