How on earth is Ward the betting favorite for the rematch??

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  • Joe Beamish
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    #41
    Originally posted by Curt Henning
    again..compubox totals dont win fights...you dont judge a fight at the end by watching compubox stats...lol

    you score rounds individually....and i scored golovkin/jacobs a couple of times...and it was real close....with some tough to score rounds that could have gone either way...especially depending on the judges vantage point

    but hey....you keep reading compubox stats to score your fights

    but of course you glossed over my original point...the US judges could have robbed golovkin if they wanted to...but they didnt....
    I agree with you, the judges could have robbed Golovkin like they robbed Kovalev, ...but then again Golovkin is not from Russia, so maybe that's why they judged the fight fairly without cheating in favor the American as they did with Ward. Americans are very touchy about Russians these days, but have no issue with people from Kazakstan.

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      #42
      Originally posted by Joe Beamish
      I agree with you, the judges could have robbed Golovkin like they robbed Kovalev, ...but then again Golovkin is not from Russia, so maybe that's why they judged the fight fairly without cheating in favor the American as they did with Ward. Americans are very touchy about Russians these days, but have no issue with people from Kazakstan.
      lets face...the average american could look at kovalev and golovkin...read their names...and wouldnt know the difference and would lump them both together

      what a story would it be for the american golden child, cancer survivor, to unseat the unbeaten golovkin machine in NYC? it would have been huge.....but of course they judged the fight the way they saw it...so maybe some of you clowns should accept thats what happened last nov in vegas

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      • Golden Boi 360
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        #43
        Ward won a close fight the first time and people expect him to win it easier the 2nd time around.

        What's so hard to understand?

        Crying robbery doesn't make it true.
        Last edited by Golden Boi 360; 06-12-2017, 05:44 PM.

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        • Joe Beamish
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          #44
          Originally posted by Curt Henning
          lets face...the average american could look at kovalev and golovkin...read their names...and wouldnt know the difference and would lump them both together

          what a story would it be for the american golden child, cancer survivor, to unseat the unbeaten golovkin machine in NYC? it would have been huge.....but of course they judged the fight the way they saw it...so maybe some of you clowns should accept thats what happened last nov in vegas
          Yeah the judges aren't "average Americans." They know where the fighters come from.

          As for the first Ward vs. Kovalev fight, I think enough has been said. Most people think Kovalev won. And those pesky Compubox scores support that determination with Kovalev landing more punches, more jabs, and more power punches than Ward.

          I can see why the judges dislike a guy like Kovalev after the stuff he's tweeted and the things he's said. He's not your typical thin skinned, sensitive type. He's got a crude sense of humor from the streets of a Russian working class town. He doesn't manage his brand all that nicely.

          Anyway the rematch is coming so soon I'm not there's more to say.

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            #45
            Originally posted by Joe Beamish
            Yeah the judges aren't "average Americans." They know where the fighters come from.

            As for the first Ward vs. Kovalev fight, I think enough has been said. Most people think Kovalev won. And those pesky Compubox scores support that determination with Kovalev landing more punches, more jabs, and more power punches than Ward.

            I can see why the judges dislike a guy like Kovalev after the stuff he's tweeted and the things he's said. He's not your typical thin skinned, sensitive type. He's got a crude sense of humor from the streets of a Russian working class town. He doesn't manage his brand all that nicely.

            Anyway the rematch is coming so soon I'm not there's more to say.
            so the judges arent "average americans"...but decided not to rob one of the bigger names in boxing against an american in NYC? instead they decided to rob the russian guy in a fight that nobody, outside of hardcores, cared about?

            lets face it...ward beating kovalev had 0 impact(I repeat zero impact) on US morale as it relates to the modern cold war....no one even noticed....it did nothing

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              #46
              People understand that boxers like Ward tend to have an easier fight in the rematch.

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              • Joe Beamish
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                #47
                Originally posted by Curt Henning
                so the judges arent "average americans"...but decided not to rob one of the bigger names in boxing against an american in NYC? instead they decided to rob the russian guy in a fight that nobody, outside of hardcores, cared about?

                lets face it...ward beating kovalev had 0 impact(I repeat zero impact) on US morale as it relates to the modern cold war....no one even noticed....it did nothing
                Yeah I don't know why the judges robbed Kovalev. It doesn't really matter. Could be an anti-Russian thing, or could be a specific dislike for Kovalev -- which is understandable given the unpleasant things he's said and posted in the past, and before the Ward fight.

                Not sure any comparison to the Golovkin/Jacobs fight makes much sense here. Different fight. Different everything.

                Getting back to the OP: most people thought Kovalev defeated Ward. And now most people seem to favor Ward to win the rematch. Why? In part, I think people distrust the judges to render a fair decision in this particular match. We'll see.

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                  #48
                  These boxer - boxer/puncher rematches tend to favor the boxer. Especially if the boxer appeared to be doing better as the first fight wore on.

                  That being said, like the first fight, the betting odds are very close. These odds are closer than the odds to fights that were perceived on paper to be 50-50ish like Canelo-Cotto, Thurman-Porter, Thurman-Garcia, Linares-Crolla II, AJ-Klitschko and others
                  Last edited by BrometheusBob.; 06-12-2017, 06:18 PM.

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                  • Curt Henning
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                    #49
                    Originally posted by Joe Beamish
                    Yeah I don't know why the judges robbed Kovalev. It doesn't really matter. Could be an anti-Russian thing, or could be a specific dislike for Kovalev -- which is understandable given the unpleasant things he's said and posted in the past, and before the Ward fight.

                    Not sure any comparison to the Golovkin/Jacobs fight makes much sense here. Different fight. Different everything.

                    Getting back to the OP: most people thought Kovalev defeated Ward. And now most people seem to favor Ward to win the rematch. Why? In part, I think people distrust the judges to render a fair decision in this particular match. We'll see.
                    they didnt rob kovalev.....thats the problem...you should learn to accept it...3 judges from 3 different vantage points saw the same thing....ward getting up and taking over the flow of the fight...while kovalev faded(and he admitted he knows he faded)......

                    the comparison i made makes plenty of sense at the level that i made the comparison

                    if the judges were out to rob kovalev for any nationalistic reason than they could have just as well robbed golovkin....but that didnt happen....there was 0 gain in robbing kovalev.....which they didnt anyway........if you need ill get you a bucket for the tears that will surely collect again on sunday morning

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                      #50
                      Originally posted by Mirko Troll Cop
                      Kovalev was highly favored to KO Ward the first time.

                      In Boxing it is said that the smarter fighter has figured out the other.

                      Kova said he overtrained for Ward yet at the same time in various interviews he complained about his performance with Chilemba as well.

                      Fück it, a loser is a loser
                      no he wasn.t ward was the betting fav in the first fight. i dont know if that played into why they robbed kovalev or not but anything is possible

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