The best scalp in Mikey Garcia resume (poll)

[boxinggod101]

Broner will be his best win

[Chrismart]

I think Lopez, Martinez and Zlat are standard wins. Especially for someone as good as Garcia.
The Salido fight was weird. Actually planned on watching that one again to refresh my memory.

Broner will be his best win IMO.

[Larry the boss]

Juanma?

Garcia fought Juanma? Wtf?

you didnt know that?

[.:: JSFD26 ::.]

you didnt know that?

Hell no bro. Read my other posts. I had no clue this **** happened. Lol

[boliodogs]

I voted for Broner. He has never lost at 140 and I think he will train hard for this fight. A focused, in shape, 140 pound Broner is a tough assignment for natural lightweight Mikey. I think Mikey will win and it will be his best win.

[Metho_4u]

It will be broner if Mikey doesn't get hit flush...broner goes into defense mode when he gets hit, but he can punch, and most certainly can hurt or ko Garcia

[glenn mcrory]

Man, I love when mother****ers starts talking **** here. Love making them look ******



Are you sure you're not biased Mexican then?
I live in Asia, next to border with China, how the **** I'm eastern euro?
Geographically? I'm much closer to Korea, Japan or China or even West coast of USA than any European city. My city is more Asia than India from geographical point of view
Ethnically? There's no such ethnicity as "eastern euros"
Culturally? Russian culture and East European cultures are completely different
You already said some dumb **** in the first sentence. Damn



Talked condescendingly I've even said Mikey is top 5 of the most entertaining fighters now

This thread is not about Lomachenko though. His name wasn't even mentioned. So I can't discuss Garcia without some ****** bringing up Lomachenko for no reason at all?



So what if he would? That undefeated version of Gamboa still would be the biggest win on Garcia's resume. Definitely better than Juanma who was coming off 2 losses against Salido or Roman Martinez



First of all, it because Walters and GRJ are better wins than any of these names in the poll.

Second, Garcia shouldn't be higher after 2 years of inactivity and Zlaticanin fight

You should be glad that I even have him in my p4p list, a lot of fans don't



That's the difference between you and me. I know a fighter of Mikey Garcia's caliber has a chance against anybody. It doesn't mean he beats anybody, but there's always a chance for him.

That's the reason why I want to see that Loma/Garcia fight - if Mikey was a no hoper, I wouldn't be even interested. I favor Loma to win (65/35), but Garcia can pull this off too. Because boxing is unpredictable

On the other hand, you say that Loma has no chances. Tell you what, if Loma doesn't have a chance and you're 100% confident he gets laid out, why Garcia should be wasting his time on a fight with predictable result? According to your logic, why you should give him the credit for beating the guy who was supposed to get beat? You shouldn't

Let Mikey fight Broner instead



"Supposedly" is the other way of saying "I'm not sure"



Notice that I wasn't even calling Garcia a bitch. Or faggot. Or pussy. That's a bitch thing to do. You can criticize their resumes or boxing skills, you can make funny jokes about fighters or even call them "bums" but talking **** like that is a different thing

Your boy doesn't even have the right to stay at 140 after Broner fight, he SHOULD get back to 135, he got some unfinished business with the bitch

And if Loma beats Mikey, I don't want to see your ass giving ANY credit to Loma for that, you understand?

Better choose the option in the poll and sing along this

Cut the bull with semantics. Theres little groups who hang by the balls of specific types of fighters and all those russian-name types regardless of country is one of them. I talk **** on mexicans all the time because most of them suck. I dont have double standards for different fighters.

Why most entertaining? Were talking skills.
He didnt get the Gamboa win but your posts make it sound like you tried to imply he ducked him, which is as ****** an opinion as they come.

If Walters and Russell are better, its not by much.
You say inactivity is an issue but have Ward there who was inactive and has no good wins other than a robbery recently. So...
Double standards.

65/35 is condescending towards Garcia.

Garcia is going after Loma because people overrate him and he thinks he can pick up big legacy points by beating him. He feels its one of the quickest ways of getting attention and respect. I personally dont think its like a super fight or anything because I fully expect Garcia to thrash him.

Mikey said hes going back to 135 after this fight. He'll be there waiting.

[g27region]

See you can talk using the arguments

Cut the bull with semantics. Theres little groups who hang by the balls of specific types of fighters and all those russian-name types regardless of country is one of them.

It's not just "semantics" I've told you it's not what I am. I can't be Eastern Euro. I don't call you Sweden, or African, or Eskimo right?

I talk **** on mexicans all the time because most of them suck.

They don't. They're the backbone of lower divisions

I dont have double standards for different fighters.

What makes you think I do?
Because I've picked Lomachenko to win?
I've been telling Postol is a bum way before he got schooled by Crawford
I don't see nothing special in Lipinets
I don't like Kovalev outside the ring and I'm not a fan of Golovkin
If you think I'm biased, give the example

Why most entertaining? Were talking skills.

And who said Mikey isn't skilled?

He didnt get the Gamboa win but your posts make it sound like you tried to imply he ducked him, which is as ****** an opinion as they come.

"Imply", "Supposedly", man, we're talking facts here. I was scared that Garcia might move up to 140 because it makes Lomachenko fight less possible. I've got angry when that Broner fight was announced only because of that, so I've mentioned Gamboa, another fight that was supposed to happen but we never had the chance to see that. But since Mikey said he's going back to 135 after Broner it's all good though

If Walters and Russell are better, its not by much.

Maybe only GRJ, because he isn't tested. Lomachenko ruined Al Haymon's investment and we don't hear about GRJ that much since then, so it's hard to rate his potential

Back when Walters KO'd Donaire (p4p fighter), Darchinyan (borderline p4p) and Marriaga, NSB fans were making threads, arguing if Walters deserved the top 10 p4p spot. It's not BS, I can back up my every word. And there were a lot of threads with people saying that Lomachenko HAS to beat Walters to prove himself. And Walters fight was the BEST possible fight for Lomachenko in this weight class and at that period of time. He passed the test with flying colors. Now all of a sudden Walters is a bum and lost because he was inactive. Sure, he was but it's not like Lomachenko was that active that year too. The fact is, before Walters fight I've made the thread where I've said that Lomachenko is a bum and overhyped. Got red k from Loma fans back then. Now I can't pretend like it's true anymore

Mikey never had the guy who was supposed to be the test for him. Not his fault though

You say inactivity is an issue but have Ward there who was inactive and has no good wins other than a robbery recently. So...
Double standards.

It's not double standarts
I've said Mikey is one of the most entertaining fighters for me out here. And I hate seeing Ward fights. But in terms of resume, Mikey's accomplishments before retirement is nowhere close to Ward's. The guy cleaned 168 division and it's still dead to this day. He holds the p4p 1 spot because there's no clear p4p leader right now. But someone has to be.
The fact that a lot of fans thinks that Kovalev fight was robbery doesn't matter. You don't have to like the result or the scorecards, but you can't ignore them. It's still a win in Ward's resume, we can argue if he deserved these belts or not, but we can't change the reality
So yeah, Ward had more accomplishments than Garcia before retirement plus he achieved more after retirement too

65/35 is condescending towards Garcia.

100/0 is even more condescending towards Loma
And I give 35% to Mikey not because he's a bad fighter, he isn't. But because Loma is wrong stylistic match up for him in my opinion. If Mikey fights Crawford, I'd favor Bud in 75/25 fight, not because Crawford is much better than Lomachenko but because he's even worse stylistic match up in my opinon
Lomachenko would have notable speed advantage over a guy who fights at the much slower pace than Loma. Mikey isn't a constant pressure fighter with veteran tactis like Salido. In order to get a win against Lomachenko, you have to neutralize his footwork, that's what I think. Mikey is a sharpshooter and very accurate with his punches, but Lomachenko has great reflexes to avoid them, plus he has way better footwork - in theory, that should help him to leave Mikey's attack range in case he gets hurt and needs some time to recover. That same footwork neutralized all that fancy handspeed from GRJ who was shadowboxing all 12 rounds. A fighter who's rough agressive and who can cut off the ring and take the space from Lomachenko should be a bigger problem than Mikey. Mikey has power advantage, but Lomachenko doesn't look chinny

[Finito2K]

Mikey's wins over Salido and Juanma easily outshine any of Broner's accomplishments.

[glenn mcrory]

See you can talk using the arguments



It's not just "semantics" I've told you it's not what I am. I can't be Eastern Euro. I don't call you Sweden, or African, or Eskimo right?



They don't. They're the backbone of lower divisions



What makes you think I do?
Because I've picked Lomachenko to win?
I've been telling Postol is a bum way before he got schooled by Crawford
I don't see nothing special in Lipinets
I don't like Kovalev outside the ring and I'm not a fan of Golovkin
If you think I'm biased, give the example



And who said Mikey isn't skilled?



"Imply", "Supposedly", man, we're talking facts here. I was scared that Garcia might move up to 140 because it makes Lomachenko fight less possible. I've got angry when that Broner fight was announced only because of that, so I've mentioned Gamboa, another fight that was supposed to happen but we never had the chance to see that. But since Mikey said he's going back to 135 after Broner it's all good though



Maybe only GRJ, because he isn't tested. Lomachenko ruined Al Haymon's investment and we don't hear about GRJ that much since then, so it's hard to rate his potential

Back when Walters KO'd Donaire (p4p fighter), Darchinyan (borderline p4p) and Marriaga, NSB fans were making threads, arguing if Walters deserved the top 10 p4p spot. It's not BS, I can back up my every word. And there were a lot of threads with people saying that Lomachenko HAS to beat Walters to prove himself. And Walters fight was the BEST possible fight for Lomachenko in this weight class and at that period of time. He passed the test with flying colors. Now all of a sudden Walters is a bum and lost because he was inactive. Sure, he was but it's not like Lomachenko was that active that year too. The fact is, before Walters fight I've made the thread where I've said that Lomachenko is a bum and overhyped. Got red k from Loma fans back then. Now I can't pretend like it's true anymore

Mikey never had the guy who was supposed to be the test for him. Not his fault though



It's not double standarts
I've said Mikey is one of the most entertaining fighters for me out here. And I hate seeing Ward fights. But in terms of resume, Mikey's accomplishments before retirement is nowhere close to Ward's. The guy cleaned 168 division and it's still dead to this day. He holds the p4p 1 spot because there's no clear p4p leader right now. But someone has to be.
The fact that a lot of fans thinks that Kovalev fight was robbery doesn't matter. You don't have to like the result or the scorecards, but you can't ignore them. It's still a win in Ward's resume, we can argue if he deserved these belts or not, but we can't change the reality
So yeah, Ward had more accomplishments than Garcia before retirement plus he achieved more after retirement too



100/0 is even more condescending towards Loma
And I give 35% to Mikey not because he's a bad fighter, he isn't. But because Loma is wrong stylistic match up for him in my opinion. If Mikey fights Crawford, I'd favor Bud in 75/25 fight, not because Crawford is much better than Lomachenko but because he's even worse stylistic match up in my opinon
Lomachenko would have notable speed advantage over a guy who fights at the much slower pace than Loma. Mikey isn't a constant pressure fighter with veteran tactis like Salido. In order to get a win against Lomachenko, you have to neutralize his footwork, that's what I think. Mikey is a sharpshooter and very accurate with his punches, but Lomachenko has great reflexes to avoid them, plus he has way better footwork - in theory, that should help him to leave Mikey's attack range in case he gets hurt and needs some time to recover. That same footwork neutralized all that fancy handspeed from GRJ who was shadowboxing all 12 rounds. A fighter who's rough agressive and who can cut off the ring and take the space from Lomachenko should be a bigger problem than Mikey. Mikey has power advantage, but Lomachenko doesn't look chinny

Anyone whose not an idiot knew Arum's plans for Walters was to build him up for Lomachenko to tear him down.
Walters is overrated, always was and you shouldnt based it on what idiots on this site say. Theres a Broner next fighter of the decade thread on here. These people have the talent evaluation skills of an empty soda can.

168 sucks and has always ******. Funny how judges decisions being wrong dont matter when convinient.

I dont have it 100/0, but I've arrived to my opinion with the opposite conclusions. I think Garcia is horrific matchup for Lomachenko.
Lomachenko uses his feet and moves around a lot, but a lot of it is movement and angles on the outside before dashing straight forward before he attacks most of the time. Theres a lot of fundamental errors with his footwork and Im sure Garcia and his team have noticed them and have thought of ways to use them against him.

A speed advantage can be nullified with the jab, like Mayweather did to Pacquiao. Lomachenko is susceptible to the jab as he tries to close the distance. Garcia has one of the best, most powerful, and most accurate jabs in the game. So Garcia will dictate the range. This also, along with his reach keeps Lomachenko right at the tip of not only having his forward movement stopped, but stopping him where hes right at range for a power shot follow up. The person in control of the range is usually in control of the fight. He can slow down the pace of the fight to his liking this way, which will cause Lomachenko to have to take chances reaching in, which opens him up to traps.

Lomachenko can hang on the outside to avoid Garcias jab, but he wont be doing damage, the less he crosses the dangerous middle ground. Garcia also likes to do these little hops after jab connects so if he touches Loma as hes coming in he can just back up to either reset or defend while still being in countering range.

Garcia can use his jab, along with the threat of one of his best, most powerful, and accurate power shots, the jump hook, to back Lomachenko up towards the ropes. On the ropes, Lomachenko likes to protect himself with a high guard. The problem is he has short arms and a long torso which horrifically exposes him to body shots. And if instead Lomachenko tries to clinch him or initiate inside fighting, Garcia likes to throw a jab at an opponent coming in, stepping back and uppercutting them.

Im sure hes also noticed that little "move towards the opponents back and hit them as they turn move" Lomachenko likes to do. Im sure he can figure out how to time the turn and time Lomachenko on his own counter.

Who knows, maybe no one of this **** comes into play, I see too many advantages for Garcia in this matchup.