Do you view fighters who quit before conclusively beaten in a negative light?

[Eff Pandas]

Depends on the fight and what manner they quit in.

Whats 2 or 3 examples of a non-conclusive L quitting situation when you saw it negatively & when you didn't?

[Rip Chudd]

Whats 2 or 3 examples of a non-conclusive L quitting situation when you saw it negatively & when you didn't?

Nicholas Walters quit job against Loma was disgraceful in my opinion. The only thing he was in danger of was being outclassed and embarrassed in front of a large crowd, didn't seem like he was hurt or anything in the least bit.

With the Brook situation I'm not really mad. He was giving a real good account for himself. If it's true and his orbital bone was messed up from the 7th round on, then it shows he tried to weather the storm, but in the end chose to take the knee to hopefully prolong his career and not sustain further damage. I mean his other eye has already had to have surgery.

That goes for Lucas Matthysse as well. Although I was shocked I can't blame the guy for staying down when his orbital got jacked up from the Postol fight.

[Eff Pandas]

Nicholas Walters quit job against Loma was disgraceful in my opinion. The only thing he was in danger of was being outclassed and embarrassed in front of a large crowd, didn't seem like he was hurt or anything in the least bit.

With the Brook situation I'm not really mad. He was giving a real good account for himself. If it's true and his orbital bone was messed up from the 7th round on, then it shows he tried to weather the storm, but in the end chose to take the knee to hopefully prolong his career and not sustain further damage. I mean his other eye has already had to have surgery.

That goes for Lucas Matthysse as well. Although I was shocked I can't blame the guy for staying down when his orbital got jacked up from the Postol fight.

So an injury you know is a serious injury or that you later learn was a serious injury is the line that gets crossed when you don't hold it negatively against the guy?

[Rip Chudd]

So an injury you know is a serious injury or that you later learn was a serious injury is the line that gets crossed when you don't hold it negatively against the guy?

Yeah I guess you can say that. Like the Victor Ortiz vs Josesito Lopez fight I didn't have a problem with cause Ortiz got his jaw broken. That's some serious crap. Meanwhile some guys like an Arthur Abraham can bite down and fight through it, even when in with a puncher like Miranda was. I wouldn't ask a guy to risk his health at my expense but as fans we kind of do.

But dudes that just quit cause the fight is getting tougher than expected, I can't respect that. Here's a recent personal example: When I was in Arizona I joined a gym and would spar occasionally with guys there. There was this one cat I sparred once that was ok but he hadn't been boxing for too long. Keep in mind, this is sparring, nobody is going balls to the wall 100% throwing haymakers or anything, you're in there to learn and work on things. Anyway, a couple weeks later we are there and nobody is there that is my size but this guy and my couch tells us to get ready to go in and work. This fool is like "Nah man, I don't want to spar him cause last time we sparred I had a headache for 3 days".

It's like what did you come to the gym for then fool!? If you aren't prepared for a few bumps and bruises in boxing then this isn't the sport for you. People think they are gonna get in the ring and everything is gonna be sweet but when challenges or the hard work comes up they wanna quit. SMH, suckas

[Eff Pandas]

I think if a fighter is legitimately impaired or knows he has absolutely nothing left and cannot win, I give him a pass. But just to avoid the humiliation of a loss and then offer up some lame excuse gets you labeled a quitter. That said, boxing is as much mental as it is physical, and if a fighter doesn't have his mind right going into a fight I can see how they might call it a night and quit. Walters quitting against Loma was weak. I can see if he was hurt and didn't even have a puncher's chance, but he should have dug in and tried something different. When Morales quit against Pac, it was clear he was outgunned and just had no answer, there was nothing left. I can't shame him for that, especially when you take into account his body of work and all of the warrior spirit he showed in other fights.

I can tell you from personal experience that the ring is a lonely place when you are exhausted and have nothing left to go on. No other feeling like it.

I don't expect fighters to fight to the death. I often give examples of Benitez, McClellan, Ali, Robinson, and many others who literally lost their minds to boxing. I would rather see a fighter quit on his stool than to push himself out there for another round to please the fans and then end up getting permanently injured or killed.

That bolded part should really put what fighters go through in the ring, in a fight into a more realistic perspective for those capable of true empathy with someone getting hit in the head & being the center of the universe for 50 to 90,000 people for 36 minutes or less.

I tend to think the more empathy & understanding you can have for another human in such a stressful situation that we all can react to differently, at different times in our lives, the less likely you are to just throw a guy under the bus as a boxer & even a human being sometimes.

[Eff Pandas]

Yeah I guess you can say that. Like the Victor Ortiz vs Josesito Lopez fight I didn't have a problem with cause Ortiz got his jaw broken. That's some serious crap. Meanwhile some guys like an Arthur Abraham can bite down and fight through it, even when in with a puncher like Miranda was. I wouldn't ask a guy to risk his health at my expense but as fans we kind of do.

But dudes that just quit cause the fight is getting tougher than expected, I can't respect that. Here's a recent personal example: When I was in Arizona I joined a gym and would spar occasionally with guys there. There was this one cat I sparred once that was ok but he hadn't been boxing for too long. Keep in mind, this is sparring, nobody is going balls to the wall 100% throwing haymakers or anything, you're in there to learn and work on things. Anyway, a couple weeks later we are there and nobody is there that is my size but this guy and my couch tells us to get ready to go in and work. This fool is like "Nah man, I don't want to spar him cause last time we sparred I had a headache for 3 days".

It's like what did you come to the gym for then fool!? If you aren't prepared for a few bumps and bruises in boxing then this isn't the sport for you. People think they are gonna get in the ring and everything is gonna be sweet but when challenges or the hard work comes up they wanna quit. SMH, suckas

That's fair & I can understand that logic. There's levels to everything & even I who tries to avoid a negative opinion for quitting can't help but be feeling a lil negative about the situation if not the guy & just kinda confused about wtf happened exactly when the story doesn't add up to quitting in my own head.

But LOL at you holding a grudge on the sparring guy or whatever is going on there. Sounds like that guy just was a civilian trying to get in shape via boxing more than a guy wanting to compete for real & even to the point of sparring, which while it is to learn & improve lets be real there is still some gamesmanship & competition with sparring that's not for everyone & you can't dog the guy too bad for just not being cut out for it or cut out for it on the level you were on.

[P.K Dionysus]

Nah, not necessarily.

If it was somebody I loved in that ring, I wouldn't want him to take a beating to satisfy some people whose support of him may be so fickle that they turn their backs on him because he put me and his quality of life ahead of being remembered for having nuts made from giant blocks of parmesan cheese or some rot.

To be perfectly honest though, a person who just quits because he's had enough does irk me.

[Xi_]

I'm not a kell brook fan but.....health>>>>>>>the entertainment of fans.

[Rip Chudd]

That's fair & I can understand that logic. There's levels to everything & even I who tries to avoid a negative opinion for quitting can't help but be feeling a lil negative about the situation if not the guy & just kinda confused about wtf happened exactly when the story doesn't add up to quitting in my own head.

But LOL at you holding a grudge on the sparring guy or whatever is going on there. Sounds like that guy just was a civilian trying to get in shape via boxing more than a guy wanting to compete for real & even to the point of sparring, which while it is to learn & improve lets be real there is still some gamesmanship & competition with sparring that's not for everyone & you can't dog the guy too bad for just not being cut out for it or cut out for it on the level you were on.

Nah man that dude just punked out. After we had sparred that first time we even talked boxing for like an hour. He gave the impression he was really into it and even said he wanted to link up and spar again.

The funny thing is when he was scared to go in and spar a smaller dude who is like 180 was like "Oh yeah I'd love to go in there to spar him"
Dude ended up bleeding all over my gear but was still in the ring like "Lets go" and wanted to spar me every time I went to the gym

[Redd Foxx]

I'm pretty forgiving of it. In fact, I think it's a sign of intelligence when there's an injury. I've seen so many idiots hurt themselves in competitive jiu jitsu because they would not tap. I must admit, I'm a bit of a meathead sometimes and have taken way more punishment in boxing and BJJ than I should have, but I don't shame people for being wise.

What I look down on is a guy who fails to give it an honest effort. I view Walters a quitter for quitting the Loma fight without being damaged or having really shown that he was "giving his all". What Ortiz did in headbutting Mayweather was a quit, IMO, and that was shameful too.
But, stopping because you're concerned about permanent damage to your career because something concerning is going on (you can't see and you don't know why) isn't anything to be mocked over. Booking fights when you're damaged but you pretend you're not (Margs, Sergio) is shameful.