Name a fighter who can walk into the ring badly drained and still dominate?

[Ray Corso]

"EX-was Ray Robinson so great that he could drop from 160 to 135 and still dominate the champ there"?

Really? What fight was that? Sugar fought at 135 when he was a teenager to 20 years old and never fluctuated in the classes.
When he moved up to 147 he never went back to lightweight.
I think he fought 20 times at 135lbs, thats it!


Ray

[Kigali]

Crawford
Canelo
These guys are shedding a ton of weight and still dominating. BTW, funny how, when a big guy sheds weight and fights smaller guys, he's a bully. When he does it and loses, he was "drained".

Canelo ain't dominating anything.

[Jewish-Reptile]

Floyd, he'd have an IV saline drip between rounds.

[Reloaded]

canelo must have to do a lot to shrink down to 154/155 and then still be sharp on the night with an extra 20lb. The numbers are pretty crazy, can anyone here comprehend themselves adding 20lb over night, what you must have had to strip away to get there.

I doubt you'd see canelo bothering with any ibf routes that require second day 10lb max rehydration. must just have very good genes for it

The extra 20lb was there while he trained so its not really extra, easy to be sharp when he rehydrates back to his training weight.

Most fighters are really pushing to make weight, its always been an advantage to be the bigger man at the weight on the night, that's just old school. Today there is way more science in it and its monitored very closely. You don't see the art in the process until you get to really elite level fighters. Eddie Hearn talks about Brook making weight you should take a look its a quick look at the process.

As you grow the harder it gets to make weight because your bodys metabolism slows and it likes to hold onto its fat reserve. Canelo at 22 could make those weights a lot easier than now.

The only thing that's stripped is water and then it is replaced after the weighin . If you look at the little guys at 130, they are pushing WW on fight night its much harder for them making weight than losing that same 20lbs in a guy that's 175.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Bernard Hopkins at 160, during the Jermaine Taylor fight he just could not fight long enough at a high intensity. When he moved up to 175, it was as if the extra weight and lifestyle took 10 years off his biological age.

Antonio Margarito is also another guy, who from my knowledge had to come down in weight massively at 147!

[Reloaded]

Bernard Hopkins at 160, during the Jermaine Taylor fight he just could not fight long enough at a high intensity. When he moved up to 175, it was as if the extra weight and lifestyle took 10 years off his biological age.

Antonio Margarito is also another guy, who from my knowledge had to come down in weight massively at 147!

And that's the reason Margo with a few years of age and having fought at 154 he was never going back and needed diuretics to make 150.

Its really tough going back down once you let you body take on that extra size, and there is also a difference between gaining the weight without training like Hatton blowing up between fights losing it, and the guy that's training and fighting at the higher weight. Hatton could do it all day the other type of weight gain you cant.

[Larry the boss]

"EX-was Ray Robinson so great that he could drop from 160 to 135 and still dominate the champ there"?

Really? What fight was that? Sugar fought at 135 when he was a teenager to 20 years old and never fluctuated in the classes.
When he moved up to 147 he never went back to lightweight.
I think he fought 20 times at 135lbs, thats it!


Ray

it was a question..not a statement

[PRINCEKOOL]

And that's the reason Margo with a few years of age and having fought at 154 he was never going back and needed diuretics to make 150.

Its really tough going back down once you let you body take on that extra size, and there is also a difference between gaining the weight without training like Hatton blowing up between fights losing it, and the guy that's training and fighting at the higher weight. Hatton could do it all day the other type of weight gain you cant.

Yes i agree, guys like Bernard Hopkins and Antonio Margarito had to cut muscle! Which is a unnatural state for the human body to be in! Where as Ricky Hatton was mostly cutting fat! Which is also dangerous, because fat stores toxins! But losing fat is actually more healthy, due to the body actually metabolizing it as energy! (In the end i think the fat cutting caught up with Ricky Hatton, in a attempt for the human body to protect vital organs it can store toxins in fat! That is why infrared sauna's are all the rage these days! So obviously when you are a fighter like Hatton who was boozing and taking drugs, all of those toxins will be mobilized into the blood streaming during training camp! this puts a lot of extra stress on his Liver and Kidneys! This is also one of the reasons why Tyson Fury, could of potentially ended his career with his massive weight gain!)....

I watched a MMA documentary about cutting weight, and i found it very alarming! no wonder why Floyd Mayweather lasted so long, he did not routinely have to put his body through that kind of metabolic stress.

I think weight cutting is completely backwards. Just imagine if Usain Bolt had to cut weight before the Olympic final, he would probably run about 11 seconds.

[iamboxing]

Naseem Hamed. Last 3 fights was struggling with weight, in the Barrera fight he was on the treadmill for 2 hours and still running right up before the fight. Looked like a zombie, not enough energy to even jump the rope and still held his own against a prime, hungry Barrera.

[Blender]

Hmmmmm, depends on a lot of things. Ray Robinson is the greatest, but 160 to 135 is a huge ask. Given a long enough training camp, and depending on the opponent, of course, its possible. Ray Rob is the greatest.

He was never a natural 160, so he could go down, but 135 was long ago from 160. 135 was like in the AMs. Still, it just depends on the opponent.