Was Kell "special Knee" Brook anything other than B level?

[Canelo and GGG]

I think Maidana achieved more with his talent tbh. And faced much tougher opponents aswell.

Yea he achieved More,in terms of skills Brook is a bit ahead of him.

[Blender]

Lara would box circles around him for 12 rounds.

I think he just would come into fights super strong and physical, and his skills are good. Not great. A bit like Froch, biggest asset, was the toughness and power.

[Earl-Hickey]

Nope.

He has a decent jab when he uses it, decent handspeed, decent power in the straight right and a decent chin. He's also fairly strong for 147.

He's not elite in any area, has defensive lapses, isn't astute on the inside.

A very good fighter, never great.

Spence is an A- or possible A level fighter

Brook is B or B+ on his best night.

[Silky-Flow]

Lara would box circles around him for 12 rounds.

I think he just would come into fights super strong and physical, and his skills are good. Not great. A bit like Froch, biggest asset, was the toughness and power.

The difference between him and Froch is Carl was never a quitter. Even when he was in trouble against Taylor and Groves he kept pushing. Kell isn't made of that stuff right now imo and I can see his heart being tested even more at 154.

[TonyGe]

He had two life and death wars with the slugger that is Carson Jones, he then goes to America and quite frankly hugs his way to the narrowest of victories against Shaun Porter.

So he gets the belt, starts believing his own hype and thinks he really is "special" by taking on a guy two weight classes above him. Yes, he landed a few blows on a man who's defence has always been subpar, but the truth is he's come up against two guys who he didn't have the height or weight advantages over and he's wilted both times.

No doubt he'll regroup, go up to 154 and talk about how much "better" he feels at that weight. But just watch, he'll wilt in exactly the same fashion should he ever step in the ring with Charlo, Andrade, Lara etc. Because when quitting seeps into the blood of a boxer, it can often become second nature. Victor Ortiz is a prime example.

Brook should retire. Both eyes are now damaged and it's not going to go away. Like you said moving up where the fighters are bigger isn't going to work out.

[Earl-Hickey]

The difference between him and Froch is Carl was never a quitter. Even when he was in trouble against Taylor and Groves he kept pushing. Kell isn't made of that stuff right now imo and I can see his heart being tested even more at 154.

Yup

well that and froch was more durable.

And he had much better stamina

And he was a lot more vicious on the counter.

but yeah

[j.razor]

He had two life and death wars with the slugger that is Carson Jones, he then goes to America and quite frankly hugs his way to the narrowest of victories against Shaun Porter.

So he gets the belt, starts believing his own hype and thinks he really is "special" by taking on a guy two weight classes above him. Yes, he landed a few blows on a man who's defence has always been subpar, but the truth is he's come up against two guys who he didn't have the height or weight advantages over and he's wilted both times.

No doubt he'll regroup, go up to 154 and talk about how much "better" he feels at that weight. But just watch, he'll wilt in exactly the same fashion should he ever step in the ring with Charlo, Andrade, Lara etc. Because when quitting seeps into the blood of a boxer, it can often become second nature. Victor Ortiz is a prime example.

Kell shows heart but I think he should consider his health & retire.

[Sheldon312]

I would say A- fighter based on skills

[soul_survivor]

Brook could have been special and 6 or 7 years ago, had teh reflexes and timing that reminded many people of Naz but he spent almost half a decade fighting in the bush leagues with one world class opponent. You can't go from that to then jumping up and fighting GGG and then fighting a strong, hard hitting contender.

If you don't fight at the world level, you can't do your talent justice and you can't understandh ow to survive in the heat.

[tokon]

He had two life and death wars with the slugger that is Carson Jones, he then goes to America and quite frankly hugs his way to the narrowest of victories against Shaun Porter.

So he gets the belt, starts believing his own hype and thinks he really is "special" by taking on a guy two weight classes above him. Yes, he landed a few blows on a man who's defence has always been subpar, but the truth is he's come up against two guys who he didn't have the height or weight advantages over and he's wilted both times.

No doubt he'll regroup, go up to 154 and talk about how much "better" he feels at that weight. But just watch, he'll wilt in exactly the same fashion should he ever step in the ring with Charlo, Andrade, Lara etc. Because when quitting seeps into the blood of a boxer, it can often become second nature. Victor Ortiz is a prime example.

Fairly accurate summary.