How Can the Curent Generation Compare?

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  • Tony Trick-Pony
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    How Can the Curent Generation Compare?

    With so many titles, so many divisions and so few guys even fighting more than once or twice a year, how can these guys ever hope to compare to greats like Robinson, Duran, Chavez and others? Wlad, Pacquiao, Marquez and a few others have 60 plus fights which looks highly respectable, but so many are going to end their careers with like, thirty fights. This is really looking weak.
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    I think the business end is hurting them. Business these days, not just in boxing, is fiercely competitive and the numbers rule everything. You hear boxers from back in the day talking about the decisions they made to fight or not fight certain guys. Now, it's all about the decisions of the management, who are purely looking at the figures. What would a book by Manny, Canelo, or Golovkin look like? "Then, my manager told me I would..."

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    • Tony Trick-Pony
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      Originally posted by Redd Foxx
      I think the business end is hurting them. Business these days, not just in boxing, is fiercely competitive and the numbers rule everything. You hear boxers from back in the day talking about the decisions they made to fight or not fight certain guys. Now, it's all about the decisions of the management, who are purely looking at the figures. What would a book by Manny, Canelo, or Golovkin look like? "Then, my manager told me I would..."
      All the way man. I'm not blaming the fighters one bit. A lot of them would be happy to fight more often. But this is stunting their careers and growth.

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      • Thraxox
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        Originally posted by Redd Foxx
        I think the business end is hurting them. Business these days, not just in boxing, is fiercely competitive and the numbers rule everything. You hear boxers from back in the day talking about the decisions they made to fight or not fight certain guys. Now, it's all about the decisions of the management, who are purely looking at the figures. What would a book by Manny, Canelo, or Golovkin look like? "Then, my manager told me I would..."
        We can barely even look at the potential HOF in them. I can only see it in Keith Thurman and Terrence Crawford out of the all the names. An era back we have talks of Paul Williams Miguel cotto Tim Bradley. The greatness aspect is getting smaller and smaller as the business side goes up.

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        • The Time
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          It is true that boxing is more business oriented than anything else. More than glory, honor, etc...

          Even if boxers are fighting just 2 times a year, it's more about the quality of the fights than the quantity.

          If we can get more fights like Joshua-Klitschko even if boxers are just fighting twice a year then boxing will be fine.

          So far this year has gotten off to a great start with DeGale-Jack, Frampton-Cruz 2, Thurman-Garcia, Golovkin-Jacobs, Joshua-Klitschko

          coming up Brook-Spence, Ward-Kovalev 2 and Golovkin-Canelo.

          Lol, if we continue getting fights like these, they can be as business oriented as they want as long as they're giving us the quality fights we want to see.

          That way it will be about business, honor and glory. The way it should be.

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          • Elroy The Great
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            wtf is it with this ''they fight enough'' garbage ?!?!?!? they fight as often as they need to fight. there arent that many quality guys around for someone to fight 4-6x a year. do we need to see 4 tune up level ''fights'' ?!?!?!? also, promoters/networks/availability/rehabbing/negotiations.....plays into how many times a guy will fight a year.

            on your way up, yeah, you fight every month if possible. the guys we are discussing are WAY past that stage.

            more titles can be a ''good'' thing. more fighters getting bigger purses. morfe boxers having chances at becoming relevant. while one champ is busy doing his thing, other titles are out there for the winning. if they are locked up, thats also a good thing. proves who is the true king of a div. but it slows business down considerably. eliminator fights i would assume earns a guy the same amount for title fights. cant have title fightS if one guy has them all.

            im glad boxing has become a business where the boxer is FINALLY getting paid.

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            • Tony Trick-Pony
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              Originally posted by Elroy The Great
              wtf is it with this ''they fight enough'' garbage ?!?!?!? they fight as often as they need to fight. there arent that many quality guys around for someone to fight 4-6x a year. do we need to see 4 tune up level ''fights'' ?!?!?!? also, promoters/networks/availability/rehabbing/negotiations.....plays into how many times a guy will fight a year.

              on your way up, yeah, you fight every month if possible. the guys we are discussing are WAY past that stage.

              more titles can be a ''good'' thing. more fighters getting bigger purses. morfe boxers having chances at becoming relevant. while one champ is busy doing his thing, other titles are out there for the winning. if they are locked up, thats also a good thing. proves who is the true king of a div. but it slows business down considerably. eliminator fights i would assume earns a guy the same amount for title fights. cant have title fightS if one guy has them all.

              im glad boxing has become a business where the boxer is FINALLY getting paid.
              Should be great highlight reels with the fighter knocking around same guy over and over. Haha.

              And there also staying sharp and disciplined which is hard to do when you fight once or twice a year. Are they boxers? Is this what they do? One work day is okay? What a pu$$y generation.

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                #8
                Originally posted by anthonydavid11
                Should be great highlight reels with the fighter knocking around same guy over and over. Haha.

                And there also staying sharp and disciplined which is hard to do when you fight once or twice a year. Are they boxers? Is this what they do? One work day is okay? What a pu$$y generation.
                at a certain stage in a guys career, us fans will be like ''why is pac fighting an unknown ?!?!?!'' or ''35 fights and not a live body yet.''

                we dont need more wipe-outs. we need more quality guys.

                plus theres more to it than wanting to fight.

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                • Tony Trick-Pony
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                  Originally posted by Elroy The Great
                  at a certain stage in a guys career, us fans will be like ''why is pac fighting an unknown ?!?!?!'' or ''35 fights and not a live body yet.''

                  we dont need more wipe-outs. we need more quality guys.

                  plus theres more to it than wanting to fight.
                  The business side gets in the way. I think the fighters are willing to fight more often and want to stay sharp.

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                  • g27region
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                    It's not their fault that pro boxing is in a ****ed up state. It shouldn't diminish their talent. What gets me angry is when I see some people trying to compare current fighters with old timers in a fantasy match ups, we'll never find out the right answer anyway so it's better to stay away from these debates. We can judge greatness only when everything is said and done

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