Was Kellerman Correct about the Nelo-GGG-Ward Triad Development?

[Eff Pandas]

You're defending the status quo too casually. Let's make it easier, since media influences readers or watchers

I think you're misunderstanding me. I think there is less "conspiracy" or whatever here is the thing I guess. I think "the media" & "the people" influence each other. People like to read, watch & listen to certain types of stories & the media tries to do the stories that the people like to read, watch & listen to or in more risk taking way assume that people will read, watch or listen to a story that they feel is compelling enough to be read, watched or listened to without proof of concept yet & they tweak things off of how that new type of story was read, watched or listened to or not.

why hasn't there been more Max Kellerman types in a Dan Rafael to head on ask GGG about Ward?

I don't think enough people care about Ward. That's why Ward doesn't get mentioned a lot in any regard by more mainstream people. I mean I could probably make a graph showing the concern for anything Ward-related going down the more mainstream the news source to nearly no f#cks given. That's not the case for GGG. That's just how it is for some cats.

Look at Klitschko. Klitschko couldn't even get a HBO fight for the longest time as THE undisputed HW champion of the world cuz no one gave a f#ck about him in the US. He was boring to watch & just didn't capture fans imagination in the US. That's just how things go sometimes.

Forget the future, this fight will never happen, but how come Dan never wrote about it to question Gennady's p4p ambition?

Well first off P4P is the ******est thing smart boxing fans talk about. P4P is to smart boxing fans what ducking is to dumb boxing fans.

/rant

But Fat Dan does & doesn't write about a lot of things. And Ward vs GGG seemed to be a fight on the table for about 12 seconds anyway between guys in two different divisions who've never left their divisions (at the time) so it wasn't a fight that caught much attention except from the Ward & GGG fanboys who are the dumbest fans of both guys.

It's a safe question and good a debate for our sport. Why did people get so sensitive about Ward vs GGG, yet get heated when a down souther (nelo) in weights makes promises to boxing fans to go up in 1-2 years time, but still gets hammered vs a guy who has been mocking the integrity of competitive challenges ala 154-168 is easy?

Well cuz Canelo was gaming the system kinda with the 155 thing. And fair play he COULD game the system like all popular fighters like he is can, but that fight always made more sense since they were in the same division.

And cmon lets not act like fighters don't say all kinda of crazy sh^t to hype themselves. I mean it says everything that the biggest criticism GGG had gotten up til recently was about him not fighting in any of 3 different weight divisions. Virtually no one in boxing is every criticized for not fighting in more than 1 division so that says something about your talent & respect level that's that where people gotta go to downplay your accomplishments &/or abilities. I remember when Floyd & Manny were downplayed by some fans for similar reasons.

It's one of boxing's most direct double standards that Gandolf the Great gives permission to troll the fanboys

Sh^t man that's how it works. The more entertaining, interesting or just fun to be around the more leeway you tend to get with people. This is standard sh^t all day long. The fun guy at work you'll let get away with more than the boring guy at work you hate to be around.

GGG is more likeable than Ward. That's just how it is. Ward should go join a support group with Klitschko or just be more f#cking interesting.

[SweetPbfAli]

I think you're misunderstanding me. I think there is less "conspiracy" or whatever here is the thing I guess. I think "the media" & "the people" influence each other. People like to read, watch & listen to certain types of stories & the media tries to do the stories that the people like to read, watch & listen to or in more risk taking way assume that people will read, watch or listen to a story that they feel is compelling enough to be read, watched or listened to without proof of concept yet & they tweak things off of how that new type of story was read, watched or listened to or not.



I don't think enough people care about Ward. That's why Ward doesn't get mentioned a lot in any regard by more mainstream people. I mean I could probably make a graph showing the concern for anything Ward-related going down the more mainstream the news source to nearly no f#cks given. That's not the case for GGG. That's just how it is for some cats.

Look at Klitschko. Klitschko couldn't even get a HBO fight for the longest time as THE undisputed HW champion of the world cuz no one gave a f#ck about him in the US. He was boring to watch & just didn't capture fans imagination in the US. That's just how things go sometimes.



Well first off P4P is the ******est thing smart boxing fans talk about. P4P is to smart boxing fans what ducking is to dumb boxing fans.

/rant

But Fat Dan does & doesn't write about a lot of things. And Ward vs GGG seemed to be a fight on the table for about 12 seconds anyway between guys in two different divisions who've never left their divisions (at the time) so it wasn't a fight that caught much attention except from the Ward & GGG fanboys who are the dumbest fans of both guys.



Well cuz Canelo was gaming the system kinda with the 155 thing. And fair play he COULD game the system like all popular fighters like he is can, but that fight always made more sense since they were in the same division.

And cmon lets not act like fighters don't say all kinda of crazy sh^t to hype themselves. I mean it says everything that the biggest criticism GGG had gotten up til recently was about him not fighting in any of 3 different weight divisions. Virtually no one in boxing is every criticized for not fighting in more than 1 division so that says something about your talent & respect level that's that where people gotta go to downplay your accomplishments &/or abilities. I remember when Floyd & Manny were downplayed by some fans for similar reasons.



Sh^t man that's how it works. The more entertaining, interesting or just fun to be around the more leeway you tend to get with people. This is standard sh^t all day long. The fun guy at work you'll let get away with more than the boring guy at work you hate to be around.

GGG is more likeable than Ward. That's just how it is. Ward should go join a support group with Klitschko or just be more f#cking interesting.

Do you mean in terms of fighting style or personality? While each is subjective, I have a hard time believing anyone with a sense of depth would state the latter to be true.

[Eff Pandas]

Do you mean in terms of fighting style or personality? While each is subjective, I have a hard time believing anyone with a sense of depth would state the latter to be true.

Of course its subjective on a person by person basis lol. The media is attempting to reach more people so its a general consensus type outlook they are looking for. So obviously I'm talking in overall opinions that GGG is the guy more people would rather watch fight & GGG is the guy more people think is the more compelling personality.

Ward just isn't the guy who people expect to be in entertaining, exciting fights. He's not the most fun or interesting guy to talk to. Meanwhile GGG is gonna try to knock a mfer out, which people tend to wanna see more than a 12 round decision & he's gonna have all sorts of catchy phrases while talking in a funny way like Manny & Mike Tyson before him, which people tend to enjoy more than a guy talking all monotone about Jesus & retiring every couple months.

[HarvardBlue]

I don't think enough people care about Ward. That's why Ward doesn't get mentioned a lot in any regard by more mainstream people.

Ward generated a lot of interest when he was competing in the Super Six. Same thing when he was just a prospect. I remember they showed him fighting in the islands in the rain and was thinking why is he getting all this attention. The turning point was the lawsuit. I understand the disinterest because he wasnt fighting but it seemed like there was a concerted effort to black ball him.

GGG is more likeable than Ward. That's just how it is. Ward should go join a support group with Klitschko or just be more f#cking interesting.

This is the part I don't understand. Golovkin is like a caricature. The media seem to be making an effort to show him in positive light (with his funny accent), while at the same time making Ward look like the brooding thug (for lack of a better word). Ward!!! The man comes off like a Boy Scout with a back story that was made for the movies. The media is driving the push towards European boxers (not from a race point of view) but to expand the market. Same thing they did with Pacquiao. I get that's part of the business but you still have to call them out on it.

The comparison with Klitschko is unfair. Klitschko produced a lot sleep inducing matches in a bunch of dark arenas. Klitschko is the definition of uninteresting.

Finally, you know if Ward was at 160 and Golovkin was 168 there be a massive outcry for him to move up. They were real eager for him to move up and face Kovalev.

[elfag]

ward signed with jay z, dumbest move ever, of course he dont get fights and hes perfectly happy with it and perfectly happy bringing up smaller no name cab drivers to fight him. **** ward already

[Eff Pandas]

Ward generated a lot of interest when he was competing in the Super Six. Same thing when he was just a prospect. I remember they showed him fighting in the islands in the rain and was thinking why is he getting all this attention.

Yea he had interest at one point. He did nothing with that interest doe. Hell maybe he couldn't do anything with it anyway. Getting interest is common for fighters of Ward's ability. A good percentage of fighters we talk about here have had interest in their favor at one point.

I'd say a guy like Errol Spence has interest right now. What he does vs Brook in a couple weeks & what he does in the next year will go a long way to that interest dying or him becoming more popular & mainstream in the greater world of sports & even into the culture outside of sports if he gets popular enough.

This is the part I don't understand. Golovkin is like a caricature.

People LOVE caricatures doe lol.

The media seem to be making an effort to show him in positive light (with his funny accent), while at the same time making Ward look like the brooding thug (for lack of a better word).

Idk about this.

GGG gots that same thing, although not on the same level, as Manny & Tyson. Both were destructive yet talked in a way that made them seem like they couldn't be nearly as destructive as they were in the ring. It was an interesting surprise that this guy who talked in a humorous way could f#ck sh^t up.

And who's making Ward look brooding? lmfao. Ward is like the 16th most boring black guy & the 108th most boring Irish guy in the United States. I've wondered for years how such a boring mfer could have ever gotten hooked up with James Prince who's had people f#cking murdered & sh^t. I legit think Ward might be oblivious to it all or a family member was kidnapped.

The man comes off like a Boy Scout with a back story that was made for the movies. The media is driving the push towards European boxers (not from a race point of view) but to expand the market.

Wtf are you talking about? Klitschko was THE undisputed HW champion of the world & no one gave a f#ck about him in the US. And he could give Ward all he's worth in a most boring human 1 on 1 contest.

Times are a changing my friend. In the 40's Ward probably woulda been the man. He'd been a perfect "good" black guy for the media to push on all fans. Nowadays people like anti-hero's more & want flawed heros not cardboard cutout humans talking about Jesus & acting reasonable. They wanna read about Broner flushing $200 or see the funny foreign guy talk or just see bad ass fights. If you aren't in bad ass fights you gotta have some personality & the boy scout model isn't a personality anyone cares about today all that much for better or worse of the culture lol.

Same thing they did with Pacquiao. I get that's part of the business but you still have to call them out on it.

Call them out. That might change something or it might not. Doesn't f#ck with whats happening right now doe.

The comparison with Klitschko is unfair. Klitschko produced a lot sleep inducing matches in a bunch of dark arenas. Klitschko is the definition of uninteresting.

I see Klitschko as the best comparison to Ward. They both are extremely talented guys who are highly respected in boxing, but who aren't fun to watch & aren't the type of guy the average person would wanna have a beer with to use the often used question for who you'd vote for for President. There is every reason for us to talk about them all day every day, but there is virtually no reason a non-boxing fan would ever give a f#ck about those guys.

And I also find that comparison a good one cuz it shows there is hope for Ward cuz look at Klitschko right now. Klitschko might be more liked now by a broader number of non-boxing fans & boxing fans alike then he's ever been cuz he was in one entertaining fight at 41 years old. I mean I'd hate for Ward to have to wait til he's 41 (don't see him staying around that long, but who knows, didn't see a bunch of guys who stayed around longer than expected to stay around that long), but it shows that things can change on a dime in boxing & it does quite often in fact. Broner was top 5ish P4P not THAT long ago lol.

Finally, you know if Ward was at 160 and Golovkin was 168 there be a massive outcry for him to move up. They were real eager for him to move up and face Kovalev.

I don't agree with that at all. If the dynamics were the same maybe. Like if 160 was barren like 168 was barren than sure. But if 160 had Ward & Canelo I wanna see Ward vs Canelo & if 168 looked like it looked when Ward was there I'd have wanted to see GGG move up to fight Kovalev & Stevenson at 175.

This stuff isn't as for or against guys as some of you like to argue. For the fanboys of any particular guy it might be, but be smart when you argue with the dummies here who will find a way to make Ward, GGG, Canelo, Joshua, Wilder or whoever a hero despite anything they do or don't do.

I'm different than the average dummy boxing fan here. You can ask me to give 3 bad things & 3 good things about any particular guy & I'll give my straight opinion that could be seen as me being a fanboy or hater of that particular guy if taken out of context. I don't give a f#ck, I'm not invested in any boxer like that to 100% love them or 100% hate them. And I think there are more cats like this on this forum then some of you guys wanna act like cuz its easier just to pigeon hole mfers into being a fanboy or hater of a specific guy or sometimes a specific race or nationality.

[SplitSecond]

Golovkin is exciting, ward is not. Since golovkins arrival on the scene he has been as active as possible and is in the media eye damn near year round since. Golovkin is a true professional, how quickly people forget all the bridge building and promoting this guy has done, from calling out floyd, to hanging with the wbc, frequenting mexican and american sport shows, and being overall commited to his media obligations ontop of showing up and usually knocking a guy the *** out, people like guys who come in and throw chingasos, shocker. Is this difficult to understand or are some of you just ******ed?

Ward obviously cant stand the media, with his holier than thou demeanor he probably thinks they are all idiots not worth wasting more time than necessary with. Put him in golovkins shoes, and ward is still boring and spiteful outside the ring and tough to appreciate inside the ring.

Wards only hope is to be the king. That will get him attention, but people will never really like him, because he's just not that likeable.