Comments Thread For: Chavez Jr: I Barely Ate For Two Weeks To Make Weight For Canelo

[bigdunny1]

Which is the issue. They ALL say that. It's like it's against the promotional unwritten rules of a fight to say the truth. Look at Oscar DLH in the pre fight hype for the Pac fight.

Chavez Jr is too big for 160-164, he should be at 168 and no lower or higher. If he goes higher he gets ktfo, if he goes lower he's weight drained. He needs to be determined of making a career at 168 or retire.

Let's be serious Chavez loses to ANY top fighter he faces at 160, 168, 175. No matter the weight if the guy he's facing isn't a journey man he is losing. It's not about weight it's about class.

[Chuckguy]

Maybe true but you knew the fawking weight and talked all this sh it and didn't. Bother trying to win

[Chuckguy]

JR always with his excuses he begged for a fight against a man 2 weight classes below him. I don't want to hear you cry now after getting embarrassed your career is a joke just leave boxing. Even your daddy don't respect you calling for you to retire.

Canelo still blames the weight for the Floyd fight I don't read you talking sh it to him? Why not big dummy?

[rrayvez]

Truth is Chavez could've been allowed to weigh in at 175 and he still would've lost. He's not that good and really had no business being a part of a ppv main event. He was used for his name to draw in gullible suckers into paying for a fight with a predetermined outcome.

[etech1]

Chavez Jr is right. He looked like a dead man. DLH knew what he was doing asking for that weight. Its JRs fault for excepting the deal, so he shouldn't run his mouth too much, but he was obviously weight drained.

[umop-ap!sdn]

Annnnnnnnnnnnnd than you barely threw for 12 rounds.

Cry me a river Chavez Jr.

[The Time]

While I do believe you Jr. that you did struggle to make the weight and sacrificed your body through torture to make it.

You knew that it would be a struggle and that it would deplete you.

You didn't have to take the fight. I understand you did it for the money. A lot of people would.

But you did agree to 164.5 and you knew it would weaken you. You can't really complain about it if you agreed to it and you knew what it would do to you.

[bigdunny1]

Canelo still blames the weight for the Floyd fight I don't read you talking sh it to him? Why not big dummy?

Please show me where? I haven't seen canelo talking like this. And if you are going to complain i much rather you say something before the fight not after. I don't use the weight as an excuse Floyd used his A side to leverage a few pounds but it didn't make a difference in the outcome I've never said differently. Just like canelo did to Chavez and like Chavez did to fonfara by the way.

[Boxing Logic]

Blame nacho and memo. It was there dumb plan to get so light so early. He was 169 2 weeks out the fight myself and many others said it was ******. Was 165 the day before weigh in and actual came in 164 even though he fought for that extra half pound in negotiations for 164.5.

Agreed. You almost wonder if they didn't give a bad plan to Chavez Jr on purpose knowing he wouldn't know any better. But since when have they ever brought a fighter down that early before the weigh in? You're supposed to bring them down just the final week or whatever for most of the weight, not a month before. A month before doesn't let your body train well or recover well and generate fast explosive muscle growth.

Maybe they screwed Chavez Jr on purpose in order to ensure Canelo won. Who knows. Memo is usually good at preparing his fighters so it's surprising everyone else was able to call that this would happen with them bringing down Chavez Jr so early, but Memo was oblivious. It doesn't really make sense to me from the outside. But, maybe this was the only way to get Jr under the weight limit at all, since he had to come down such an unusual amount.

The whole thing sucks though because Chavez vs Canelo at 160 around the time he fought Andy Lee would have been such a good fight. But boxing as usual likes to protect guys and wait and wait and wait to make fights, until all the risk is gone, and so as usual we got a ****ty fight from a matchup that should have given us a great fight. Chavez and Canelo could have fought at trilogy already back in 2012 at 160, or maybe 163 or something back when Chavez was still making 160 well, so it would have been like that but even better. Instead, all boxing fans have gotten out of this grudge match between two very entertaining fighters is one matchup at the worst possible time, and the worst weight, which resulted in a terrible mismatch.

That's modern day boxing, turning great matchups into terrible fights left and right. When GGG gasses after 4 rounds in September because he's 35 years old, and he has to resort to outjabbing and outboxing Canelo in a low activity snoozefest because he's 35 years old, boxing will have done it again.

Of course, I hope the best GGG and best Canelo both show up, but when is the last time an offensive fighter maintained his prime work rate, stamina, speed, and aggression into his mid thirties? I can't even remember the last one. And GGG hasn't looked as good his last two fights. Sergey Kovalev, likewise, at 33 years old, has gassed in both his last two fights. Manny Pacquiao, likewise, started the downward slide when he was 32, 33.

And yet with all three of those guys, boxing didn't make the top matchups with them until they in their mid thirties. So boxing just keeps making the same mistake and never learning from it. The people involved in the sport are so ****y, it's like they want to believe they dictate nature, and they can just forget about age now because of "modern training methods and technology." Well if it's so good, why is every top boxer who relies on output, stamina, and offensive athleticism still declining once they hit about 32 years old, on average? Why is it STILL happening even if modern technology? Like sure, modern training has allowed fighters to push their prime age into their early thirties now, which didn't used to be the case, but that probably has more to do with the fact they're not fighting as often or taking as much punishment as anything else.

Still, I give modern scientists credit, we are still seeing top level boxers operate at 32 years old, sometimes even 33. But make no mistake about it, even with modern training, these guys whose styles depend on punch output, combination punching, and stamina still decline like clockwork between 32 and 34 years old, and it just goes down from there. In the highest weight classes like heavyweight and cruiserweight, there are some exceptions, but other than those, it's a pretty fixed rule.

If boxing wants to truly recover as a sport, and make more more money long term, they need to stop chasing dollar signs on each individual super fight, just because it's the next one, by waiting as long as possible to make each super fight in order to grow the fighters names as much as possible before hand, and instead balance the waiting with making the fight when the product will still deliver peak entertainment, so you can actually bring back repeat customers.

In other words, boxing might not have made as much money with GGG-Canelo two years ago as they would now, but the fight would have been much better, which would have brought in more money for the next fight.

There is a sweet spot. You want to build the fighters names before the super fight, but you want the super fight to still deliver. Because of the arrogance of those in charge of modern boxing, they continually overshoot that sweet spot. They continue telling themselves "it's 2017, so with our modern technology, 35 years old isn't old at all for a boxer! That's still prime years for sure!"

Wrong. Even 33 is wrong. I see decline at age 33 all the time. Even 32 sometimes. But if you want to know the sweet spot, it's 32, in terms of the longest you can wait. Ideally, the superfights happen between fighters aged 27 to 30, because those are the real prime years for a boxer, but anything before 32 is fine. Once you go 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, you are going to get an underwhelming product with lots of standing around not throwing punches because the older fighter needs to take longer breaks to recharge. Just look how Pacquiao can't sustain the attack anymore. GGG likewise had to take off minutes of rounds repeatedly against Jacobs starting about halfway through going all the way to the end of the fight.

Kovalev of course was totally gassed after 5 rounds vs Ward, which makes his performance even more impressive in a sense, but which also ultimately only gave paying customers about 15 minutes of quality action before Kovalev had no energy left and Ward was glad for it because he didn't want a fight to break out in the first place, so both guys just jabbed and waited and grappled and rested a lot. That's not what a pay per view fight should be!

If boxing would just start making these matchups at the right time, before fighters hit age 33 at the oldest, then the fights would be better, word of mouth would spread, and you would end up building up their names more in the end anyway because big fights create more big fights. Then with the winner of the fight at 32 years of age, you can make an even bigger fight next, and a year later, etc, and then even though they will be 34, 35, you at least have a fair excuse, and you at least delivered fans the big fight during the guy's prime before that one. I'm not saying stop making fights once guys hit 33, but you should at least have made a bunch with them before then, in order to deliver the best product and show us what he can do in his prime.

But by just protecting guys their entire careers to build their names until they're 35, then making a big fight, boxing is just going to shrink and shrink because the product will very rarely deliver when one of the guys is 35 years old. 35 year old fighters just do not have the energy to press the action for 12 rounds and throw lots of punches like fans expect to see.

[Chuckguy]

Please show me where? I haven't seen canelo talking like this. And if you are going to complain i much rather you say something before the fight not after. I don't use the weight as an excuse Floyd used his A side to leverage a few pounds but it didn't make a difference in the outcome I've never said differently. Just like canelo did to Chavez and like Chavez did to fonfara by the way.

I get it but refresh my memory what fighter has ever done that