Pull Counter vs Slip Counter

[BuakawBanchamek]

What's the advantage of the Pull Counter vs the Slip Counter and vice versa.

While Pull Countering you simply pull your body back and then counter, during the Slip Counter you bend your body to a side and then counter.

The base mechanics seem to be close to the same( avoiding the shot while being loaded for a counter), so why would you wanna do the rather risky Pull than the safer Slip?

[Redd Foxx]

A lot of guys get in trouble leaning back to evade punches and it's generally thought of as poor form. But, a lot of high level fighters get away with it anyway (Klitschkos being prime examples). I feel it's better to start out slipping and countering and if you get to the point that you can safely pull counter, try it out. Just don't make the mistake many do in thinking that just because high level guys do it, that it's a good idea. Fundamentals first.

[Ray Corso]

Your counter punching off the slip will land quicker and be more effective. To pull away (back) then drop in to punch can have you run into punches coming behind the initial punch avoided.
Slipping to the right can include your counter left hook with the move. This can be dangerous but skill set has everything to do with success.
I prefer side to side slips or straight drop slips (bending the knees) over pulling back. In fact I never taught pulling away because of the vulnerable position you can wind up in.

It seems todays trainers don't teach how to capitalize on a fighter leaning straight back. Maybe they don't know what to teach.

Ray

[.!WAR MIKEY!.]

the pull counter is for when you manipulating distance and the slip counters are for when you are closing distance.

Your welcome.

[yngwie]

You need to have crazy athletic ability to execute the pull counter, the slip counter takes less stamina out of you, is easier and more effective overall against quality boxers.

[j0zef]

Pull counters are susceptible to being countered themselves, and it takes a better judge of distance to pull them off. Canelo's pull counters are a thing of beauty.

[Redd Foxx]

Canelo's pull counters are a thing of beauty.

^ He's so overlooked in this regard. The guy is a far more intelligent boxer than people give him credit for. They think you need to be defensive to be crafty.


Another he does great is drawing out a counter in order to counter (usually; a feint jab, slip/duck the counter right and throw an overhand right counter).

[Larry the boss]

To be honest it depends on the fighter and how they were trained..what works well for one person will not work for the next

[SalimShady1212]

At my gym personally, my coach isn't fond of the pull counter and we get told off for doing it. It takes incredible reflexes and judgement of speed as you potentially leave your chin in the air and are immobile against follow up punches. However, one of my favourite moves is slipping to the left and throwing a straight left (as a southpaw). I think slipping should be sufficient in most scenarios.

[kiDynamite92]

I've got away with doing that pull counter a lot, it's a natural reflex but once someone followed up with a body shot and I went down because I was off balance.