Name 6 fighters that are active today who could go down as all time greats and why

[Real King Kong]

Loma
One of the greatest ams with great resume for a guy with so few fights


Ward one of the only in history to win multiple titles @ 168,175 arguable deepest tool box, highest ring IQ since Hopkins and money era

Kovalev most dominant light heavy champ since Roy

Chocolatito 4 weight champ long undefeated streak, ran through 105-112 like no one in history

Bud Crawford 2 time lineal champ one of the most versatile in the game

Mikey Garcia consummate boxer puncher, good at everything, great at nothing with one punch power

All of them have have unified and/or moved up to win titles in more than one division

All have solid resumes

All have top notch skills

All are arguably top ten P4P

All are in or near their prime with years left in the game

Kovalev? If he loses to ward and doesn't do much else, he's arguably not even hof material...let alone atg. First, what's your definition of atg?

[Dodger07]

I have 7 fighters that i truly believe can be ATGs...

Andre Ward- One of the greatest super middleweights of all time with superb defense. Is a two division, unified champ with a very strong resume.

Chocolatito- One of the greatest minimumweight fighters of all time. Great combination puncher. 4 division champ, has a very good resume and should probably still be undefeated

Sergey kovalev- one of the biggest punchers in LHW history. unified the division, has a good resume and many feel he should still be undefeated

GGG- one of the biggest punchers in MW history. is a unified champion, could possibly break the title defense record held by bhop. may possibly win another title at 168

Lomachenko- sensational boxer with speed, defense and very multifaceted offense. 2 division champ in less than 10 fights. will probably win many more titles in more divisions.

Terrence Crawford- 2 division, unified champ. great ability to switch hit and adjust mid fight to his opponents. has good speed and power, will probably win a title at 147 soon

Mikey Garcia- 3 division champ, has great power and is a very fundamentally skilled technician. like lomachenko, will probably win many more titles in more divisions

[therealpugilist]

Jezreel Corrales won't fight Loma, even down in Panama. He was also ducked at 126 by Rigo.

As for 168 being stacked at that time, it was stack with marginal fighters. We're not talking Jones, Toney, Calzaghe caliber fighters that Ward was beating. Most of them were B-rate at best by anyone's standards. If I start a thread and tout the greatness of Kessler, Bika, Abraham or Green I will get laughed out of the forum. But suddenly they are elites when Ward beats them? I don't know. I'm not hating on Ward, outside the ring I like the guy and respect how he carries himself. But inside the ring I question his accomplishments. Honestly, his record is only slightly better than Sven Ottke who held wins over Glen Johnson, Thomas Tate, Anthony Mundine, Charles Brewer, and Silvio Branco.

Sven Ottke.....are you serious......Mundine was a novice, Johnson was a journeyman at the time, Brewer was Friday night fights level guy that picked up a trinket

you cant be serious.....its clear as day he has accomplished more than ottke....You really think Mundine, or Brewer would beat Kessler and froch and also accomplished more than them?


I respect your opinion but Kessler nor froch were not b level...they only lost to each other and proven hall of famers


bro...you are trying too hard to play devils advocate

Ward has beaten better fighters than Loma, and everyone you mentioned so if you question him, you should question all of them because he has accomplished more, beaten better opposition, and has been a top fighter longer than them all

im just assuming but you're not very fund of the guy or his style

[therealpugilist]

Kovalev? If he loses to ward and doesn't do much else, he's arguably not even hof material...let alone atg. First, what's your definition of atg?

I already defined it for a poster on page one bro

if he loses to ward but still beats top guys he can still make the hall of fame...he was a very dominant champion and only lost to another dominant guy who hasn't lost since puberty began

you're a knowledgable guy, you know what it means

[Scipio2009]

Andre Ward - 168lb kingpin, 175lb kingpin, last male American Olympic boxing gold medalist, undefeated, ambition to test heavyweight/cruiserweight title.

Vasyl Lomachenko - decorated amateur, wunderkind talent, 126lb titlist, 130lb titlist and possible kingpin, with chance to be titlist at 135lbs.

Saul Alvarez - 154lb titlist, middleweight titlist, the frame to try to be a 168lb titlist, sport's current biggest star.

Errol Spence Jr - wunderkind talent, frame to possibly be 147lb/154lb/160lb titlist.

Anthony Joshua - 27 years of age (potentially another ten years to work with), heavyweight titlist, in an age of a return to the consolidation of the heavyweight championship, potential global star.

Mikey Garcia - 126lb titlist, 130lb titlist, 135lb titlist, a possible title run at 140lbs, frame to possibly get a title at 147lbs, has the type of ability to go down as the best Mexican American fighter to ever put on gloves.

[DreamerUSA]

Loma
One of the greatest ams with great resume for a guy with so few fights


Ward one of the only in history to win multiple titles @ 168,175 arguable deepest tool box, highest ring IQ since Hopkins and money era

Kovalev most dominant light heavy champ since Roy

Chocolatito 4 weight champ long undefeated streak, ran through 105-112 like no one in history

Bud Crawford 2 time lineal champ one of the most versatile in the game

Mikey Garcia consummate boxer puncher, good at everything, great at nothing with one punch power

All of them have have unified and/or moved up to win titles in more than one division

All have solid resumes

All have top notch skills

All are arguably top ten P4P

All are in or near their prime with years left in the game

Honestly there are quite few guys that have a path before them that could lead to ATG status. Obviously the guys you listed and a few some others have listed are probably the front runners, but I think the potential list is long.

There are several guys at 115 and 154 that if they can become the kingpin in their division, are certainly well on their way. Or 135 and Jorge Linares, granted I think the odds of him beating Mikey and Loma are low. But what if he does? Or what if Easter smashes all three?

GGG is a bit of a longshot, but there is certainly a path that could lead him there.

Anyways I could ramble forever about this, but as usual it will come down to if the fights are made or not.

[GhostofDempsey]

Sven Ottke.....are you serious......Mundine was a novice, Johnson was a journeyman at the time, Brewer was Friday night fights level guy that picked up a trinket

you cant be serious.....its clear as day he has accomplished more than ottke....You really think Mundine, or Brewer would beat Kessler and froch and also accomplished more than them?


I respect your opinion but Kessler nor froch were not b level...they only lost to each other and proven hall of famers

bro...you are trying too hard to play devils advocate

Ward has beaten better fighters than Loma, and everyone you mentioned so if you question him, you should question all of them because he has accomplished more, beaten better opposition, and has been a top fighter longer than them all

im just assuming but you're not very fund of the guy or his style

Who did Kessler and Abraham beat that were so great? Froch was a legit SMW, but again, one can make an argument that he got robbed versus Ward. Ward was fortunate he never had to fight Dirrell and quite honestly he could have made the move to 175 much sooner when it was a lot deeper with talent.

[future hendrixx]

1. Pacquiao (no explanation needed)
2. Ward (cleaned out 168. moved up and beat the boogeymam)
3. Wladimir (no explanation needed)
4. Lomachenko (I dont see nobody fckn with this dude. made Walters his btch)
5. Canelo (beat Lara when his team wanted no parts of that. beat Cotto. only blemish is TBE)
6. Chocolatito (singe handledy put the tiny fighters on the map. moved up enough but has finally reached his limit)
7. Crawford (passed his first test with flying colors. only Loma is more skillful. Bud is a special mofo)
8. Thurman (two prime welters on his resume. charismatic and ducks nobody)
9. GGG (strictly based on middleweight legacy. I think he'll break Hopkins record.)
10. Mikey (underrated resume. inactivity hurt him doe.)

sorry Rigo

[therealpugilist]

Who did Kessler and Abraham beat that were so great? Froch was a legit SMW, but again, one can make an argument that he got robbed versus Ward. Ward was fortunate he never had to fight Dirrell and quite honestly he could have made the move to 175 much sooner when it was a lot deeper with talent.

...welp



thanks for clearing things up for me....

if you think he got robbed you don't know how to score fights....

Froch admitted defeat himself and no one on this site even debates that fight, he came on strong in the mid rounds but was clearly beaten bro

there is no need for me to even go in depth on why Froch and Kessler were more talented and beat better opposition than the guys Ottke beat


you already have it in your head Ward, Kessler, and Froch are B level fighters

[GhostofDempsey]

...welp



thanks for clearing things up for me....

if you think he got robbed you don't know how to score fights....

Froch admitted defeat himself and no one on this site even debates that fight, he came on strong in the mid rounds but was clearly beaten bro

there is no need for me to even go in depth on why Froch and Kessler were more talented and beat better opposition than the guys Ottke beat


you already have it in your head Ward, Kessler, and Froch are B level fighters

But you refuse to answer my question...who were Kessler, Abraham, Bika, and Green beating that made them so great? You said the division was stacked with these talented names that Ward beat, but who did they beat? Fair question.