If you have never even faced another p4p top 10 fighter how can you be p4p#1?

[GhostofDempsey]

Silly way to determine P4P because if Ward was 112 pounds, he'd be so fast it'd be ridiculous. And if Chocolatito was 168 pounds, he'd be so slow.

The only logical way to rank fighters P4P is to judge who is accomplishing the most at their weight, dominating their weight, etc.

So even though GGG is only 160 pounds and would get destroyed by Anthony Joshua, GGG is accomplishing more at middleweight and dominating middleweight more than Joshua is at heavyweight. Therefore, P4P, GGG deserves the higher ranking. He's doing more at his weight.

For me that's not how P4P works. You take your greatest assets with you to a given weight class, you don't assume that fighter A is going to be faster or slower or more powerful etc. You work with what you have in front of you given their current skill set and what sets them apart. Ward at any weight is not going to be a speed demon or power puncher. He gets away with his style of fighting because he was successful against brawlers and stiff Euro fighters.

[bluzi]

For me that's not how P4P works. You take your greatest assets with you to a given weight class, you don't assume that fighter A is going to be faster or slower or more powerful etc. You work with what you have in front of you given their current skill set and what sets them apart. Ward at any weight is not going to be a speed demon or power puncher. He gets away with his style of fighting because he was successful against brawlers and stiff Euro fighters.

Thats why i hate P4P , most of the times ppl go about the "eye test" , this test usually rates better to the small guys , why ? because they throw tons of combos and flashy moves and it looks amazing doing so , they dont care much about that 1 punch that can end them , the higher you go the bigger chance of you getting caught with 1 punch that in turn can lose you the fight , the biggest upsets usually happen @ higher weight classes because of that.
For years i havent seen the cruisers and the HW getting the love at the P4P lists , always the little guys while i would argue that staying at the top of a HW division for 10 years is AMAZING and should easily TOP most of those small guys throwing combos , but Wlad was never a #1 P4P , also the HW can't go UP in weight to prove themselves , so in Wlad case the only time the division became good was when he lost , now everyone are saying the division is HOT and has talent!!! while if he beat Fury and Joshua ppl would say that today HW is boring and has no talent .
TLDR - small guys get most of the praise due to fancy combos and the bigger guy who need to fight differently with more responsibility are usually ranked lower.
HW guys are at the worst place as they can't move up to take on the best guy near them , so they always get flak for their current position , if Wlad had another kingpin to take on during his prime he wouldve done it , but alas he too on all the challengers and took them down making it impossible to create a new kingpin to take down for the prestige.

[GhostofDempsey]

Thats why i hate P4P , most of the times ppl go about the "eye test" , this test usually rates better to the small guys , why ? because they throw tons of combos and flashy moves and it looks amazing doing so , they dont care much about that 1 punch that can end them , the higher you go the bigger chance of you getting caught with 1 punch that in turn can lose you the fight , the biggest upsets usually happen @ higher weight classes because of that.
For years i havent seen the cruisers and the HW getting the love at the P4P lists , always the little guys while i would argue that staying at the top of a HW division for 10 years is AMAZING and should easily TOP most of those small guys throwing combos , but Wlad was never a #1 P4P , also the HW can't go UP in weight to prove themselves , so in Wlad case the only time the division became good was when he lost , now everyone are saying the division is HOT and has talent!!! while if he beat Fury and Joshua ppl would say that today HW is boring and has no talent .
TLDR - small guys get most of the praise due to fancy combos and the bigger guy who need to fight differently with more responsibility are usually ranked lower.
HW guys are at the worst place as they can't move up to take on the best guy near them , so they always get flak for their current position , if Wlad had another kingpin to take on during his prime he wouldve done it , but alas he too on all the challengers and took them down making it impossible to create a new kingpin to take down for the prestige.

You've made some really solid observations, particularly about HWs. If we imagine Wlad at 147 with his style, he gets mauled by fighters who are fast on their feet and fast with their hands. If a guy with Chocolotito's skills is at HW he dominates the division. Remember, Wlad is an exceptionally large HW, which was his big advantage over other HWs in the division.

But, let's take a look at some of the top HWs in history. It doesn't look much better for them. Ali had a style that could only work for him as a HW. Technically, he did a lot of things wrong as a fighter; he leaned back from punches, fought with his hands at his sides, moved straight back, rarely went to the body. As a MW or WW he would be destroyed, but against big, lumbering HWs he could get away with relying on his reflexes, and his speed was more of an asset. On a P4P basis I think Tyson, Ezzard Charles or Joe Louis represent the HW division a little stronger given their styles and skill sets.

[original zero]

For me that's not how P4P works. You take your greatest assets with you to a given weight class, you don't assume that fighter A is going to be faster or slower or more powerful etc. You work with what you have in front of you given their current skill set and what sets them apart. Ward at any weight is not going to be a speed demon or power puncher. He gets away with his style of fighting because he was successful against brawlers and stiff Euro fighters.

by your criteria, the minimumweight champion would always be P4P #1 since they would keep all their assets as a hypothetical heavyweight, but a heavyweight doesn't gain any assets as a hypothetical minimumweight. it's just ******.

if you want to rank fighters from different weight classes against each other, you have to rank them based on who is accomplishing more at their own weight. there's no other logical way to do it.

[FrankieClutch]

Divisional rankings mean much more than P4P, IMO. It's really just by chance that multiple people in the same weight class are on a consensus P4P list at the same time.

[TonyGe]

Way, way too much stock gets put into P4P lists.

It's an opinion. There is no golden record.

I'm still trying to decide whether a Platypus or a Sloth is #1 on mine.

I'm still trying to determine whether a Leopard or a Mountain Lion is P4P. I'm leaning towards the Mountain Lion.

[asgarth]

is the ring p4p list still done by a single guy or did they revert back to a panel of members?
When the list was done by one guy, he had ****ing adrien broner on his p4p list haha

[KillaCamNZ]

I'm still trying to determine whether a Leopard or a Mountain Lion is P4P. I'm leaning towards the Mountain Lion.

I smell a trilogy coming

[j0zef]

Silly question. If you rewind back 6 months, none of top5 P4P fighters faced another P4P fighter. Neither Ward, Kovalev, Golovkin, Choco, Frampton, Crawford etc faced another Top10 P4P fighter.

Only thing that has changed is that Ward and Kovalev fought to basically a draw, depending on whose side you take.

Hell, if you want to, you can make an argument that Lomachenko beat a top10 or borderline top10 P4P fighter in Walters and is most deserving of top spot - if that's what you're going for. But it's a silly idea.

[Citizen Koba]

I'm still trying to determine whether a Leopard or a Mountain Lion is P4P. I'm leaning towards the Mountain Lion.

You fucking casuals make me sick.


1 Least Weasel
2 Honey Badger
3 Wolverine

You clearly DKSAP4P... Ban bet? I fkn dare ya!


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