Do wins over novice fighters whom eventually become succesful...

[Caught Square]

Floyd got accused of ducking everyone by haters, fanboys still use this excuse, it's doesn't mean anything, the only people he was really accused of ducking was Pacquiao, Mosley, Cotto, Margarito.

It does mean something because he wouldn't be accused of ducking if they didn't see him as a threat. Canelo had been fighting at world level for a while.

[SplitSecond]

It does mean something because he wouldn't be accused of ducking if they didn't see him as a threat. Canelo had been fighting at world level for a while.

No, they are trying to just sht on him. When the fight is happening it's "Why is Floyd draining him", when the fight has a hiccup it's "I told you Floyd would duck him".


It's just hater talk. With that said Canelo was a threat, because of his size, but he was still green.

[Caught Square]

No, they are trying to just sht on him. When the fight is happening it's "Why is Floyd draining him", when the fight has a hiccup it's "I told you Floyd would duck him".


It's just hater talk. With that said Canelo was a threat, because of his size, but he was still green.

Ok so what fight was the cut-off point where you no longer considered Canelo a green fighter?

[hugh grant]

I dont know. It's like some folks who don't give Floyd credit for beating Alvarez since Saul was too "green" when they fought. I suppose Floyd would get more credit if they were to have fought when Saul had actually stringed together several good wins at the top level first.

Floyd gets credit but perspective is needed that's all.
Alvarez was green and a win over poac is better than ne!o. Plus cw.

[SplitSecond]

Ok so what fight was the cut-off point where you no longer considered Canelo a green fighter?

After Floyd. I thought that was a highly educating experience for him and he showed it vs Lara, and has improved steadily, I think he's peaked now (don't feel he's a guy that will do well in his 30's). Not a lot of guys get to fight the p4p #1 at the peak of his craftiness at a young, malleable age.

[Aztekkas]

What about Salido's win over Loma... does that get any credit? Sure he was dirty in the fight but he used his experience to get the W against a fighter that out skilled him and beat him in every department except for size.

[BM dnobagaV]

I'm thinking Miguel Vasquez? Lost a MD to Canelo is his first fight, a UD to Canelo in like his 8th, a UD to Bradley in his 16th?, and then held a LW title for years afterwards.

[El Gitano]

So, would Juan Manuel Marquez get credit for beating Orlando Salido 13 years ago?