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  • yankees7448
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    #341
    Originally posted by ShoulderRoll
    It's not MY truth...it's simply THE truth.

    Here is a sampling of some people bringing up Proksa to defend Lil G's resume:
    First guy mentioned David Lemiuex as if the fight just happened so it was an old post. He did give too much credit for the Proska victory.

    The second guy did not really hype the Proska win. Saying Proska had one lost in 28 fights isn't pumping him up like he's superman but simply an accurate assessment of his record.

    Third guy called Proksa a top 10 middleweight at the time. That may or may not be accurate. He was probably ranked in the top 10 of one or more sanctioning body but I base my top 10 off the ring magazine or Dan Rafael's division rankings. I don't recall if Proska was on those lists at the time. But once again, if HE WAS its simply the guy telling you something accurate about Proska at the time and not saying he's superman.

    Fourth guy was simply comparing Chavez's recent list of opponents to GGG's. Once again, there is ASBOLUTELY NO crowing about Proska.

    Fifth guy is once again is not expressing an opinion on Proska but simply remarking on where he was ranked when GGG fought him.

    Seriously, there has to come a point where we can just look at something someone else writes and agree to what the **** reality is. Saying someone was ranked in the top 10 isn't pumping them up as if they were some world beater. You need to be able to tell the difference. If you want to question the source of the ranking then feel free to do so. As sanctioning bodies will have a lot of random turds in their top 10 and generally do not include a belt holder for another sanctioning body from within the weight class they aren't the greatest rankings to site. If you want to point out the relative strength or weakness of the division at the time of the ranking be my guest. But if this dude was ranked in the top 10 somewhere at the time he fought GGG you can't b!tch about them pointing it out. If its true its true. I am sure if you went back to those guys and asked them Proska wouldn't even rank in the top 10 of GGG's best career opponents.
    Last edited by yankees7448; 05-01-2017, 10:38 PM.

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      #342
      Originally posted by yankees7448
      First guy mentioned David Lemiuex as if the fight just happened so it was an old post.
      Being an old post or not doesn't matter. I said that in the past people have brought up Proksa's name in order to defend Golovkin's resume...and all those quotes are examples of exactly that.

      In the Julio Cesar Chavez Jr post the person quoted was even using Proksa as a reason that GGG's resume was better than Chavez'!

      Yet here you are now claiming that Proksa is an insignificant win for Sergio Mora. It's so typical for Lil G stans to want to have it both ways. Proksa can be a legit victory or a complete nothing depending on whatever argument you guys are making at the time.
      Last edited by ShoulderRoll; 05-01-2017, 11:30 PM.

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      • yankees7448
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        #343
        Originally posted by ShoulderRoll
        Being an old post or not doesn't matter. I said that in the past people have brought up Proksa's name in order to defend Golovkin's resume...and all those quotes are examples of exactly that.
        No that is not exactly what you said. You said that he was brought up whenever they wanted to defend his resume by bringing up his big wins. Saying some guy was ranked in the top 10 at the time of their fight is not the same thing as saying it was a big win. It is simply a statement of fact if he was indeed ranked in the top 10. Proska was only a big win because as it was his first HBO appearance it introduced GGG to American boxing fans and that is absolutely the limit of that fights significance.

        Originally posted by ShoulderRoll
        In the Julio Cesar Chavez Jr post the person quoted was even using Proksa as a reason that GGG's resume was better than Chavez'!
        That is one way to look at it but its the wrong way to look at it. The right way to look at it is to observe that the guy was simply making a list of the top 10 ranked fighters GGG and Chavez Jr fought and to point out that GGG at the time fought more of them. There is no statement regarding that said Proska was the best guy ever or that Proska would destroy Chavez Jr. Proska was just a name on a list.


        Originally posted by ShoulderRoll
        Yet here you are now claiming that Proksa is an insignificant win for Sergio Mora. It's so typical for Lil G stans to want to have it both ways. Proksa can be a legit victory or a complete nothing depending on whatever argument you guys are making at the time.
        Once again, I am never said Proksa was an insignificant victory for Mora. Proksa has proven to be an insignificant victory for GGG because of the trajectories of the two fighters after the fight. GGG has fought and beaten much better opponents since then while Proksa has been inactive and lost to much worse opponents. Is it a significant victory for Mora. Yes but only in the context that Mora's resume at 160 is so barren of any real accomplishments. He dropped Danny Jacobs and beat Proksa. Besides that he has done absolutely nothing at 160. So from that perspective a win over Proksa is far more significant for Mora than it is for a guy who has fought and beaten Danny Jacobs, David Lemieux, Marco Rubio, Kell Brook, Martin Murray, Curtis Stevens etc. Context matters. The significance of victory is largely dependent upon the context within it is placed. I am sure there were some fights in Roberto Duran's early career that were considered significant at the time. But once he started fighting guys like Sugar Ray Leonard, Thomas Hearns etc. the significance of that early fight disappeared.


        *For the record, if your first thought is "Did that guy just compare GGG to Duran" then you've just proven my point.
        Last edited by yankees7448; 05-02-2017, 09:51 AM.

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        • mobstarik
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          #344
          Proksa was top 10 of Ring magazine at the time he fought GGG

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          • Nomadic
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            #345
            3 or 4 fights not ever going to happen.

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              #346
              Goddamn GGG!!!!

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                #347
                I was at the fcking fight. When you have an arena of GGG fans saying he got his ass kicked, well he got his ass kicked

                The idiots in here justifying this robbery need to go to kazichstan and suck some ****

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                  #348
                  Originally posted by vaynardevil
                  honestly there's no urgency to rematch him rn
                  it's normal they prefer opponent who bring more money, he's 35 years old already
                  after 5-6 fights Jacobs might be a CW or at least a LH

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