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Pussie g is a fuucking fraud. So I guess getting all the belts was just an excuse. Move your punk ass up in weight or fight the best- Charlo is about to get a win this Saturday.
Pussie g mocked Canelo vs Khan called that a business fight then his punk ass turned around and fought a WW! pussie g been begging Canelo for a fight- Yet it is not about the money. Fuuck pussie g and anybody that supports that chump
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Originally posted by BigStomps View PostWell Imma say your completely wrong here. I think Mayweather VS Connor does a little over a million buys. This fight is a joke and real boxing fans know this so I don't see them paying for this. Most casual fans don't wanna get ripped off again like they did on the Mayweather VS Manny fight so I don't see them paying for this garbage. I think only hardcore Mayweather fans and some Connor fans will buy this. That's why I don't see this fight doing more buys than Canelo VS g string. I see that fight doing 1.3-1.5 million buys
we can have a friendly bet when that fight rolls around
whilst being completely irrelevant to boxing, Mayweather/McGregor is a HUGE event..... I think it could do 1.5mil, possibly even 2mil+
Canelo/Golovkin is not as big as some like to make out
I can't see it being much bigger than Canelo/Chavez to be honest..... who are both more well-known than Golovkin
I can't see either of those fights doing more than a mil
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Originally posted by Boxing Logic View PostTrue aboutfkntime, but the difference is the fighters GGG wants are a lot better than the fighters other guys are willing to fight. What other fighter cancels a date and waits 3 extra months just to get a 185 pound Danny Jacobs in the ring and overpay him to do it? Yeah yeah I know DJ was the mandatory, but he was a mandatory with a 25% split, and he made it known he would never take that. So if GGG wanted to swerve that fight he could have just taken it to purse bid and Jacobs would have dropped out. Plus Haymon asked for an interim fight first and GGG's team said no. GGG wanted that fight, with a taller, longer, faster, heavier, powerful 185 lbs fighter who can switch stances. Who else is chasing fights like that willingly, and even overpaying those guys?
Hell I am a Lomachenko fan, and I believe he wants Mikey Garcia, but do you think he would overpay Garcia to get in the ring with him? Hell no, you don't overpay to TAKE a risk, you overpay to capitalize on someone else's risk. But that's what is different about GGG, he paid to take a risk.
What other small middleweight was willing to fight Carl Froch, who like Ward at 168 is basically a light heavyweight who drains to 168? That dude is huge, but GGG called him out. Now they're talking about Gilberto Ramirez, another huge 168. What other small middleweight is calling out the best 168 pounder who happens to be a 6'2 southpaw with speed and power and a huge reach advantage?
Obviously that fight hasn't happened yet, but it's not like Gilberto is a huge name that benefits them to talk about for no reason. They wouldn't keep bringing up that fight happening if they weren't serious about making it.
So I see your point, but I think you're missing the entire picture. You're basically saying people are only willing to do what they're willing to do, which is like saying nothing. It's like saying me and Usain Bolt are both only willing to run as fast as we are willing to run. OK true, but that doesn't mean Usain Bolt doesn't run way faster than me.
Same applies here. Gervonta Davis and GGG are both only willing to fight the guys they want to fight, but GGG wants to fight everyone in his division, while Gervonta Davis, or at least his team, does not want him to fight everyone in his division yet. So there's a difference, yes?
As for BJS, GGG still wants that fight, the timing just did not work out. GGG took 12 rounds of punches from a powerful guy who outweighed him by 10 to 15 pounds. Do you have any idea what that does to the body? Curtis Stevens experienced that for 3 rounds and was knocked out cold. Boxing is not a game. If you want to blame anyone, blame GGG's team. They want to believe he's superman. They let Jacobs weigh in early and miss the IBF weigh in, bulk up like crazy. They seem to think that because GGG can take punches from super middleweights in sparring, with sparring gloves, that he can't be hurt at all. They don't seem to understand that the #2 middleweight in the world wearing puncher's gloves, who then bulks up to 185 pounds, hits a hell of a lot harder than the 40th ranked Super Middleweights they use for sparring partners in sparring gloves.
Just like Mikey Garcia is a lightweight, but he hits way harder than the 40th ranked welterweight. Just like GGG is a middleweight, but he hits way harder than Najib Mohameddi and guys like that at light heavyweight. But GGG's team doesn't seem to understand this concept, so they thought GGG could just take out an elite, bigger guy in 3 rounds, and then fight three months later. They clearly miscalculated, but don't blame GGG for it. You also have to factor in that Oscar is being a diva about the Canelo fight, using this three month promotion excuse. But really I think it has way more to do with GGG needing more time to recover from the Jacobs fight than it does Oscar.
Plus, even if BJS is not a power puncher like Jacobs, you have to think this is a learning moment for GGG's team. They now have to realize that if the BJS fight goes 12, GGG could be sore again, and then they'd be at a disadvantage against Canelo just three months later. So there is no perfect scenario. They must have just decided to play it safe and fight Canelo in September. Let's just hope the fight happens. Clearly, GGG is getting older, so these fights really need to start happening already.
that is exactly what they tried to do.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/golovkin-...se-bid--109500
the WBA refused.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/golovkin-...-fight--109535
just another one of those strange things that you guys cannot understand I guess
some of us have got it figured out
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Originally posted by OnePunch View Postif GGG planned on getting all the belts, his next fight would have HAD to have been the Saunders unification, or an IBF mando. Those are the only 2 ways for him to keep the IBF belt.
Going straight to Canelo (if that fight even happens) would result in GGG getting stripped of the IBF belt......
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thank god those who didnt undertstand him fighting in june could put the fight in jeapordy werent being honest. **** the saunders fight anyway all though its strange they called him out almost hoping saunders would run
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Originally posted by bigdunny1 View Postits really that simple. These idiots had a winning lottery ticket and were greedy took that money to Vegas trying to double and triple it rather the being smart and cashing the lottery ticket in. They should of either took the fight at 155 or tried to negotiate a lb or 2 above that to get the fight done last year. And even when they got an offer at 160 the only weight this coward seems to be willing to fight at they turned down 15m. Now jacobs flopped and Saunders fight blew up that 15m is OFF the table. If they are offered half that much today they would be fools not to take it. Because once the Chavez numbers come out whatever the offer is today it will be less after Chavez. It's like they were playing a game of chicken when the other guy driving a tank and you riding a bicycle. Words can't express just how ****** GGG has handled canelo and some of these other fights that have been offered.
they totally refused to negotiate
with Cotto, with Canelo, with Ward, with Lara, etc
and yet..... his fanbase decided to blame Cotto, Canelo, Ward, and Lara LMAO
it would be unbelievable, if not for the fact that I watched this exact same shht happen about 5 years back when Pacquiao's rabid fanbase blamed Mayweather for Manny refusing random blood tests..... and of course, when Pac finally agreed to undergo additional testing, he was praised, and he did it for "the good of boxing" LOL
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I don't think negotiating with Cotto was really in the question. Cotto was trying to get the Canelo fight which was way bigger financially and much less risky. Cotto and RN would simply have been fools to pass up a fight with Canelo for a much lesser known at at the time and more risky GGG. Step aside money was the only logical choice for K2 because at least kept GGG in the position to fight the Cotto Canelo winner for a big day. If GGG tried to force the fight Cotto would likely have vacated for his retirement money.
And just for arguments sake, let's say K2 tries to fight Cotto and has to gives up like 5 or more pounds in weight for a mw title, why risk your career in a BS fight like that rather than just wait to fight the winner and try to get a better deal? And then go after another title in the mean time, which he did.
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Originally posted by Cinci Champ View Postthank god those who didnt undertstand him fighting in june could put the fight in jeapordy werent being honest. **** the saunders fight anyway all though its strange they called him out almost hoping saunders would run
then suddenly, after Warren agreed to all terms, the fight is no longer important
#theyareduckingusdoe
#cantmakethemfightusdoe
WAKE UP YOU GUYS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
when Saunders laughed at Team Golovkin's only offer of 1.5mil, what did Team Golovkin do?
did they offer him more money ?
nope, they fought Dominic Wade
Wake up !!
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Originally posted by Gate keeper View PostI don't think negotiating with Cotto was really in the question. Cotto was trying to get the Canelo fight which was way bigger financially and much less risky. Cotto and RN would simply have been fools to pass up a fight with Canelo for a much lesser known at at the time and more risky GGG. Step aside money was the only logical choice for K2 because at least kept GGG in the position to fight the Cotto Canelo winner for a big day. If GGG tried to force the fight Cotto would likely have vacated for his retirement money.
And just for arguments sake, let's say K2 tries to fight Cotto and has to gives up like 5 or more pounds in weight for a mw title, why risk your career in a BS fight like that rather than just wait to fight the winner and try to get a better deal? And then go after another title in the mean time, which he did.
what rubbish
they totally refused to negotiate on weight
Golovkin, K2 Firm That Cotto Title Fight Would Be at '160'
http://www.boxingscene.com/golovkin-...ght-160--94841
which OBVIOUSLY would remove them from the Cotto sweepstakes
keyword = " OBVIOUSLY "
they - BIZARRELY - had no interest in fighting Miguel Cotto
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