Andre Ward has to make more of a statement this go around.

[SeekDaGreat]

The statement is the win. Nobody cares about conversations after the fact. History will remember it as a close fight that Ward won. Period.

Yeah, keep telling yourself that. Just like history remembers Bradley for beating Pacquiao. Okay.

That might be a little steep, but my point is boxing is never as black and white as you're making it. Boxing is one of the only sports where you can actually lose in the ring, and win on the cards. So no, it's not how you say it is. If you're one of those guys that's satisfied with just paper wins then I guess we're comparing apples to oranges. I'm a little deeper than that..


Anywho, I'm not here to argue the point. Ward needs to make a statement, period. Last time was no statement.

[mick1303]

The statement is the win. Nobody cares about conversations after the fact. History will remember it as a close fight that Ward won. Period.

You don't tell other people "period", when you're not in position of force. This makes you look foolish. People are not blind and this is not mid 20th century, when if the footage was lost, only opinions of the ones who sat ringside mattered. Fight is on youtube for all to see and score.

[TheUptownKid]

You don't tell other people "period", when you're not in position of force. This makes you look foolish. People are not blind and this is not mid 20th century, when if the footage was lost, only opinions of the ones who sat ringside mattered. Fight is on youtube for all to see and score.

Only die hards do that. And kov may be your champion but in real robberies like Paul Williams Lara, judges get suspended. So there's been a precedent set for what happens when fighters get robbed.

Now when a close fight occurs and one sides fans are butt hurt, there are no suspensions, there is no acknowledgement of wrongdoing by the sanctioning bodies, the belt just changes hands and you guys are left to console each other. Without recourse.

[TheUptownKid]

You don't tell other people "period", when you're not in position of force. This makes you look foolish. People are not blind and this is not mid 20th century, when if the footage was lost, only opinions of the ones who sat ringside mattered. Fight is on youtube for all to see and score.

Your judging a YouTube fight is subjective, judges judging a live fight is official. One position is absolutely more "forceful" or meaningful or significant or impactful or whatever word u wanna use. Hint* the official opinion is the position of force.

[soul_survivor]

http://www.boxingscene.com/andre-war...ecards--110939

http://www.boxingscene.com/scorecards/Sergey-Kovalev-vs-Andre-Ward--45

The majority of media had Kovalev, the majority of boxers had Ward.

Why so serious?

the majoirty of boxers? so every boxer on the planet was polled? can i see that please

[Pigeons]

the majoirty of boxers? so every boxer on the planet was polled? can i see that please

Give me a second to compile the list with sources...

[Pigeons]

Yeah, keep telling yourself that. Just like history remembers Bradley for beating Pacquiao. Okay.

That might be a little steep, but my point is boxing is never as black and white as you're making it. Boxing is one of the only sports where you can actually lose in the ring, and win on the cards. So no, it's not how you say it is. If you're one of those guys that's satisfied with just paper wins then I guess we're comparing apples to oranges. I'm a little deeper than that..


Anywho, I'm not here to argue the point. Ward needs to make a statement, period. Last time was no statement.

It will be remembered like Hagler-Leonard. Smaller man getting a close decision that was hotly debated.

[TheUptownKid]

Yeah, keep telling yourself that. Just like history remembers Bradley for beating Pacquiao. Okay.

That might be a little steep, but my point is boxing is never as black and white as you're making it. Boxing is one of the only sports where you can actually lose in the ring, and win on the cards. So no, it's not how you say it is. If you're one of those guys that's satisfied with just paper wins then I guess we're comparing apples to oranges. I'm a little deeper than that..


Anywho, I'm not here to argue the point. Ward needs to make a statement, period. Last time was no statement.

You can look a little deeper and so can I. I understand pac Bradley, there have been many robberies in our sport which gives it a black eye I am dismayed by.

However this was a close fight, you saw it one way, i and the judges saw it another. You can say well my friends and I think kov won, and I hear that. But I feel differently and trained judges agreed with me. Now arguments can be made both ways but Ward won and it was controversial so kov is getting a rematch. He needs to improve more than ward because Ward did what judges deem victorious. Simply put

[soul_survivor]

Give me a second to compile the list with sources...

you had more than a second

[Pigeons]

you had more than a second

I couldn't find one damn source. Bow down to Lorded Kovalev!