What happen to Italian American boxers?

[King_]

"in the 50s, 60s, Italians were immigrating from Italy and had to "live that life." Those tougher Italians are all adults now and they raised their kids to be softies"...........

How old are you 12?

Italians migrated in numbers to America from 1890 through 1930. As for boxing participation that started around 1915.

Every ethinic group that came to America had involvement with the sport of boxing and every group also moved on from the sport as they developed their personal skills.
Can't comment on the whinny kids you know it must run in your group of friends however I'm a second generation Italian from Sicily and you may need to meet a few Sicilians that could persuade you to realize their are all "types" from all cultures.
We're known to be quiet yet persuasive.
...."end of story" interesting expression usually associated to the ***ish communities. Who also had great fighters who moved on to a better forecast for healthier lifes.
Ray

I was actually lying. I don't actually have any Italians in my circle of friends. I just didn't want anybody to think I have something against Italians.

With that said, sounds like you're living in the past. There's no need to get offended.... I said it was natural and there's nothing wrong with a generation of kids being soft. Just like in The Sopranos- his kid was soft, and Tony liked it that way. That's the way it is for the OGs, they don't raise their kids to be like them.

It is what it is, I'm just saying I never met any Italians who could fight.

Once again- you said it at the end. That's the way it should be. I have no doubts that a bunch of those Italians during those times were tough, and that's my point.... they had kids and wanted their kids to live healthier, better lives. It's natural. But that must be why Italian American kids nowadays are soft. IMO.

[Kigali]

More money in drugs and reality TV.

[Dean_Razorback]

Italians no longer have to do shyt like punching each other in the face for a living so you see less of them. I think it was Martin who had a joke about the lower you are on the social ladder, the better boxer you are. He said, that's why Cubans are the best, then Ricans, Mexicans, blacks, etc. His words, not mine.

Tried to find it but only found this, which is pretty funny;

well, it's no mystery that most of this guys come from the bottom of the social stratum

[Ray Corso]

"I was actually lying".............

Well that takes care of everyone thinking your a liar.
Now we know for a fact that you come here to lie!

"END of STORY"

I'd be shocked if you have any friends Italian or other wise.
Good luck on growing up, hope you make it.

Ray

[al-Xander]

They still have Bundu.

[King_]

"I was actually lying".............

Well that takes care of everyone thinking your a liar.
Now we know for a fact that you come here to lie!

"END of STORY"

I'd be shocked if you have any friends Italian or other wise.
Good luck on growing up, hope you make it.

Ray

We're obviously from different eras. And I'm telling you that as a man who grew up 60 years after you, every Italian American I ever ran into has been as soft as silly putty. If that bothers you so much, how about you do something about it instead of coming onto a boxing forum and *****ing? I did not say it in a confrontational way, or directed it at any Italians on this website. I replied to the thread with a life experience.

How old are you? You're 60 year old man and you're on here being grumpy for absolutely no reason, you took offense to something that has nothing to do with you. You, as an Italian man do not represent your people as a whole. So why do you feel the need to come onto a forum about professional boxing and defend yourself about this?

You accuse me of having no friends, but to me it sounds like you live a very salty, senile life.

Have a great day, Ray.

[MisterHardtop]

Immigrant communities, first arriving en masse to the US from Europe in the late 19th and early 20th century used boxing as a means to find success. Fan, largely from the same back ground as the fighter, flocked to see their "national" or "ethnic" heroes represent their heritage on a national scale. The most prominent of these immigrant communities were the Irish and the Italians. They were the early pioneers and box office stars of the sport.

African Americans were still largely barred from "white only" world titles, as late as the 1930s and 1940s believe it or not. For years the great Sugar Ray had to fight the best of the rest while lesser foes took their shots for the welterweight title. By the time Irish and Italians started to move up the socio-economic ladder, African American fighters had started to get world title shots and truth be told, they trained harder, fought smarter and were simply better.

As the 1960s came to an end, the once immigrant communities of Ireland and Italy were no longer at the bottom rung of the social ladder and the African American community, who for so long were barred from the all white championship club had exploded onto the scene and their socio-economic status has never improved as much, so they are still heavily involved in the sport.

However, from what I see in the sport now, many Americans of Mexican and Puerta Rican descent are starting to come to the fore. They may well produce the next great American fighter...or they may not. Europe has arisen once more as a combat sport powerhouse.

[Ray Corso]

When you make a generalization about a certain culture that "you know" and its a derogatory one at that you will get a reply.
The reply is from an Italian who thinks your a BSer and a self confused liar!
I'm not bitter I'm tired of little azzholes talking sh*! about fighters and people that they don't even know!

The cultures that dominated this sport in the early 1900 through the 1950 are not involved as they once were. Everyone knows that but you come out with the expression "soft". When you insult a culture and it's a lie expect to get challenged on it.

You don't represent a conscience of the general public either.
Your just looking for a confrontation, this is your main event! HA!

Just another kid who has a need for attention so making a garbage statement on a personal topic is his only way of getting it.

Chao sonny I think if you go to your local Italian Club they'll be a few men there who will help your education on cultures out.

enough of you

[King_]

When you make a generalization about a certain culture that "you know" and its a derogatory one at that you will get a reply.
The reply is from an Italian who thinks your a BSer and a self confused liar!
I'm not bitter I'm tired of little azzholes talking sh*! about fighters and people that they don't even know!

The cultures that dominated this sport in the early 1900 through the 1950 are not involved as they once were. Everyone knows that but you come out with the expression "soft". When you insult a culture and it's a lie expect to get challenged on it.

You don't represent a conscience of the general public either.
Your just looking for a confrontation, this is your main event! HA!

Just another kid who has a need for attention so making a garbage statement on a personal topic is his only way of getting it.

Chao sonny I think if you go to your local Italian Club they'll be a few men there who will help your education on cultures out.

enough of you

Right- but I'm the KID, and you're the grandpa who just can't let it go and continues going on. You're very mature for your age, eh?

Continue being upset. And keep threatening people on the internet. You're so cool with your "I'm a tough Sicilian, you should meet some real Italians."

You're a pathetic joke. Sitting here threatening a "kid" subtly on the internet..... I guarantee you if your old ass ever ran into me in real life you would **** your grandpa diapers. But see, I had no reason to get to that level.... I never will; because this is a boxing forum and I'm here to talk boxing, not get personal. I pity you that you took so much offense on a personal level to my post.

I literally gave credit to old-school Italian boxers, and gave MY first-hand experience of why I think there may not be so many world-class Italian boxers, like there was back in the day. Where the hell are you getting this "derogatory" **** from? It's derogatory to to say that you THINK a group of people are soft? Put the pipe down, how mentally soft can you be?

I literally did not disrespect anybody. If you find it disrespectful to be called "soft," well, don't be ****ing soft? Its not my fault that everybody I ran into was the way that I said.

You're very bold to accuse me of everything you are and talk the way you are, considering that you're sitting here arguing with me in the first place. Don't you have grandchildren to take care of?

[jcj0427]

The majority of successful boxers today come from poverty. Look at May and Pac as your two prime examples. in the 20s-50s there were alot of americans boxers from italian descent because they came from poverty. A few generations have passed and its no longer needed for them to get their face smashed in to get payed. The majority of american boxers you see these days are mexican and black.