All my points, not only does Jacobs lose. He gets KOd.

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I'm not talking about points.

The reality is this. It's one thing when you're totally down on the cards and then get knocked out. That's a blowout. Mayweather/Hatton comes to mind.

But it's another thing when you're literally getting outboxed round to round and then manage to knock your opponent out. Wilder/Szpilka comes to mind.

The perception of the fans is not the knockout. It's the fact you were getting outboxed for some reason. Why do you think so many people on NSB think Wilder gets sparked by top heavys and don't really care about his KO ratio? It's because against B level fighters he's getting outboxed.


Here's another example. Pacquiao/Marquez.

Nobody believes Manny truly beat Dinamita because he was getting outboxed in three of the four fights and got knocked out in the fourth one - after getting dropped and half outboxed. The focus is the knockout only because of so many rounds passing where Manny was getting outboxed.


Summary: It's all about how bad you lose, not the loss itself.

Khan's KO was brutal and expected. Brook got helped by his corner, but the only thing on people's mind isn't the stoppage, it's situations like this that nobody saw coming - even G:

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Ok, thanks, I appreciate the reply, so I can further understand where you're coming from. What you're saying makes some sense. However, with regards to Khan and Brook, and how well they were doing against Canelo and GGG, respectively, I'm afraid that I cannot bring myself to look past the fact that they both got merk'd. The argument as to who was "outboxing" who... it's a moot point, to my mind. The answer is right there on BoxRec for all to see:

Canelo KO6 Khan
GGG TKO5 Brook

I don't think you're giving enough credit to either Canelo or GGG if you stick by your story that they were being "outboxed".

Khan would've taken a 100ft ring if it was allowed, he was dancing; Canelo bided his time, trusted his power, and did the business. Brook is a different story, of course. GGG made it into a streetfight, did not show Brook respect and got up in his face, but again, GGG showed faith in the gameplan and got the job done.

I cannot envisage that the results of these fights would be any different if there were rematches. Indeed, those results were expected, considering the differences in weight class. Now, if your argument hinges on the idea that Canelo and GGG somehow struggled fighting against smaller men, I can have some sympathy with that. Except, they patently didn't. Both fights were over before the halfway point, and emphatically so.

It seems that you are unwilling to give credit where credit is due, as if both those stoppages were just instances of extreme good fortune. What would they have needed to do for you to appreciate their work, I wonder??

I take my hat off to Khan and Brook for jumping up the weight classes (we need more of that), and I acknowledge that Canelo and GGG did what they were supposed to do. You say they didn't look great. I say, look at the results of those fights and tell me that wouldn't happen 100 times out of 100.

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lol considering jacobs was up 4-1 in the pirog fight, you can pretty much assume he's not losing by points.

It couldn't be the same fight that Emanuel Stewart was commentating because he seemed to think Jacobs was losing.

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Ok, thanks, I appreciate the reply, so I can further understand where you're coming from. What you're saying makes some sense. However, with regards to Khan and Brook, and how well they were doing against Canelo and GGG, respectively, I'm afraid that I cannot bring myself to look past the fact that they both got merk'd. The argument as to who was "outboxing" who... it's a moot point, to my mind. The answer is right there on BoxRec for all to see:

Canelo KO6 Khan
GGG TKO5 Brook

I don't think you're giving enough credit to either Canelo or GGG if you stick by your story that they were being "outboxed".

I give credit to Canelo for a predictable sleeping of King Khan, yes. His feint just before was a thing of beauty and it's not like Canelo hasn't fought fast opponents before. But Khan was still performing better than expected and frankly, he should have been out of there in the first.

I give less credit to G simply because he fought a welterweight and was getting outboxed before the stoppage, yet refused to fight a guy in Canelo at nearly the same weight. The credit goes more to Brook for not only being willing to step out of his element, but to jump two weight classes AND take on the most dangerous guy - AND outboxing him before his corner stopped it (not the ref, and not him). I clearly remember George Foreman complaining about corners stopping fights just because of an injury rather than letting their fighter keep going.

It seems that you are unwilling to give credit where credit is due, as if both those stoppages were just instances of extreme good fortune. What would they have needed to do for you to appreciate their work, I wonder??

You see, if G had slept Brook, which mind you has never happened, I might give G more credit.

If he'd knocked Brook down, even once, which mind you only happened one time years ago in a fight he still won, I might G more credit.

If the ref have stopped it because Brook simply wasn't moving at all but just taking flush shots ala Jones/Lebedev, I might give G more credit.

If Brook barely got out of rounds alive, I might give G more credit.

If Brook was telling his corner to stop the fight ala Tyson/Golota, I might give G more credit.

If Brook was literally running all night long, I might give G more credit.

As is we just don't really know what G's made of after that performance and the dominant perception is that a quality MW fighter beats G - that the only reason Brook lost is because of his corner and the fact he didn't have enough power to do anything with the skill.

Look at it this way. Lewis/Rahman 1, because that fight to me is what I saw with Brook/Golovkin. Same basic flow - Lewis was more accurate and outboxing Rahman until he started to get caught.



You ask whether the rematch would go the same way. I say yes because Brook isn't a natural MW. But if he were a natural MW, I guarantee we'd see this: