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  • Abe Attell
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    My thoughts on Joe Louis Ringside:

    First: DAM, I have seen footage of Joe Louis, but haven't seen this much.

    His technique was incredible...he had fast, short, accurate, sharp, punches, filled with power...he could throw nice combinations in bunches, something you don't see to often from heavyweights...his Jab, something a lot of the modern heavyweights forget to use, was tremendous: he actually out jabbed much taller men, like Max Baer...his balance was also great and on top of it all, he stayed calm no matter what.



    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    I would like to touch on a "touchy" topic that was brought up in the show: something about how after the victory over Max, a writer compared Joe to a "Black Cat/Panther"...Brian Kenney thought this to be "racist", Bert Sugar on the other hand pointed out a few things: that it was the "30's/the time"...it was not to knock Joe, but to show how great he was...In my opinon, yes, it could be seen that it was racist, given that he was compared to a "Animal", but look at the animal he was compared to, "A Black Cat/Panther"...have you ever seen this animal fight? Say it was a Panther {big black cat}, they are very calm, beautiful to look at, patient, strong, fast, and when they see their prey, they don't tend to go hungry
    It might sound "racist", but aren't humans still animals?
    Just like in mythology where they came up with the Centaur, it was symbolic: half man, half animal...something only the Gods could have made.
    The Panther has great Mystique, and is a great "animal" to be compared with. Though I don't know the writer, if he is a poet styled writer, it was probably not meant to be racist, but it was there to describe to READERS what he was seeing: A man, in this case Max Baer, trying to go up against an "Animal" he could not defeat, a "Black Cat/Panther" Joe Louis. The writer had probably never seen such a fighter in the ring; what Joe could do was ahead of his time, something unreal, and something out of mythology.

    Though this is all speculation of what he could have meant, and based on a hopeful innocent view, I can at least take a positive side to the story.

    Joe Louis was just a Mythological being at this point of his career, something that had to be made special by the Gods because no Mortal man could have such ability.
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    #2
    How about that round one vs Baer. Incredible stuff

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      I would also like to touch on one more thing:

      I remember hearing it years ago, Joe Louis fought a couple/few fights for the Government for donation purposes, but when his new manager filed his taxes, he never took out those fights as donation fights, instead they were written out in full like he received full payment for those fights, even though he did not.

      If the Government knew this, and they did nothing, they should be ashamed of themselves. Seriously, I am sure they knew, but didn't care.
      I like to say, I can't believe they pissed on a great "Champion" who helped them be a SYMBOL of Democracy during World War II, but I am sure it probably wasn't the first time.

      Just say, hypothetically, he ran into tax trouble, why not give the guy a pass anyway...I am not for favoritism, but the guy was an important figure during this time. What is 1 million dollars to the Government? They just wanted to make an example that they could get anybody that didn't pay their taxes, yes, including the Great Hero JOE LOUIS.


      The same **** happened to Ali, but in different circumstances:
      Ali, despite failing the test to enter the military was passed anyway, why? my guess is to be a Symbol of the war just like Joe Louis was for WWII.


      Maybe something can be done to restore the this misunderstanding; give an apology to the Louis family and the money.

      I will have to look into it to see what all the details are, just in case I am overlooking something.

      I would also like to say I am a very Proud AMERICAN, love the "IDEA" of AMERICA, but can't stand a Government that forgets they are FOR THE PEOPLE AND BY THE PEOPLE; they are SERVENTS for the People, not whore mongers out to make a buck.

      I would also like to say that I still believe that there are those that mess up our Government, but those that also make it work and make it great, but Dam those bastards that try to bring down such a great Idea.
      Last edited by Abe Attell; 05-21-2006, 12:57 AM.

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        #4
        Originally posted by SquareCircle
        How about that round one vs Baer. Incredible stuff

        Yes, incredible

        Did you see how sharp and accurate he was with his punches and combinations, and that Jab of his

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          What impressed me the most was the versatility. He was just calmly moving to his right, using his right hand to block Baer's lead hand and countering with the jab.

          The versatility though, to be able to possess reflexes and smarts like that, along with a good jab, and the speed and power to dispatch a slugger in close quarters if need be. Complete fighters are so interesting to watch, I almost feel sorry for people who aren't Boxing fans, it's as if they aren't allowed to enjoy a fine wine that I'm enjoying when I'm watching these classics.

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            It is incredible how a fighter way back then could be so great, and have such terrible "Top" fighters today.

            I mean, sports are supposed to evolve, but boxing, what has happened?

            I am not saying there weren't their fare share of terrible fighters, like there are today, but seriously, how many top level fighters do we have right now?

            Maybe they are just in the NFL, and we are missing out



            I think it is incredible how such fighters can see those small openings and exploit those openings/weaknesses
            Last edited by Abe Attell; 05-20-2006, 06:37 PM.

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              well for one I think the technology available today, and money available playing other easier sports has steered many potential boxing champions away from the sport because they fully know the risks now, when back in the 40s they just figured if you get caught too many times you're punchy, there were no accurate tests. Of course there is no higher glory than becoming a boxing champion,regardless of what any tennis player, bowler, or pro dart thrower will try to tell you. It's also become much more of a cult sport in recent years and as a result many boxing gyms etc have closed down, boxing gyms that could have produced champions.

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                Yea, I have gone back in forth with this myself:

                For one, should I really support a sport that can be viewed as so violent; a sport that few ever truly reach "Glory"; a sport where a fighter takes bruising punches that can leave himself damaged the rest of his life, if not take his life.

                But, it can be so beautiful, so truly "Artistic", and emotional, to show what "Nature" is about: the strive for "Man" to survive, to show they are willing to fight for their life, to show they can do it with Honor and integrity and come out victorious; even in defeat, a Man can be seen as "great"


                For the sport not be on top there are a few reasons besides the mentioned by you:

                Like no offical Boxing League whicn would have Rules, Proper support for the boxer, No Union to protect the fighters, etc.

                If athletes are willing to take risks in Football, I don't see why some of those athletes would not risk in boxing, if they were able to make near the same amount of money.

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                  #9
                  good points.

                  I think another reason Boxing is hurting is because there aren't televised big fights like back in the day. Those big televised fights on public cable no doubt inspired many future champions to begin honing their craft.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Abe Attell
                    First: DAM, I have seen footage of Joe Louis, but haven't seen this much.

                    His technique was incredible...he had fast, short, accurate, sharp, punches, filled with power...he could throw nice combinations in bunches, something you don't see to often from heavyweights...his Jab, something a lot of the modern heavyweights forget to use, was tremendous: he actually out jabbed much taller men, like Max Baer...his balance was also great and on top of it all, he stayed calm no matter what.



                    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
                    I would like to touch on a "touchy" topic that was brought up in the show: something about how after the victory over Max, a writer compared Joe to a "Black Cat/Panther"...Brian Kenney thought this to be "racist", Bert Sugar on the other hand pointed out a few things: that it was the "30's/the time"...it was not to knock Joe, but to show how great he was...In my opinon, yes, it could be seen that it was racist, given that he was compared to a "Animal", but look at the animal he was compared to, "A Black Cat/Panther"...have you ever seen this animal fight? Say it was a Panther {big black cat}, they are very calm, beautiful to look at, patient, strong, fast, and when they see their prey, they don't tend to go hungry
                    It might sound "racist", but aren't humans still animals?
                    Just like in mythology where they came up with the Centaur, it was symbolic: half man, half animal...something only the Gods could have made.
                    The Panther has great Mystique, and is a great "animal" to be compared with. Though I don't know the writer, if he is a poet styled writer, it was probably not meant to be racist, but it was there to describe to READERS what he was seeing: A man, in this case Max Baer, trying to go up against an "Animal" he could not defeat, a "Black Cat/Panther" Joe Louis. The writer had probably never seen such a fighter in the ring; what Joe could do was ahead of his time, something unreal, and something out of mythology.

                    Though this is all speculation of what he could have meant, and based on a hopeful innocent view, I can at least take a positive side to the story.

                    Joe Louis was just a Mythological being at this point of his career, something that had to be made special by the Gods because no Mortal man could have such ability.
                    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
                    Jack Dempsey was compared to a Tiger....a Bengal White Tiger? I don't know and it doesn't matter. Comparing Louis to a Panther in that fight is a compliment. The fact that it was 1938 probably played into the "black" adjetive to describe the panther; but what is "The BROWN Bomber" supposed to imply?

                    Some people need to quit taking things so seriously and looking for something negative and offensive at every turn...aka...get their heads out of their own asses. (there, how offensive was that? I didn't say what the race of the ass-owner was; but merely that certain people have there heads in a place never meant for their face..their own ass)

                    Translation: Get over it and quit bothering me with such childish dribble.


                    (none of this was directed towards the thread starter, who's opinions I agree with...just to clarify)

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