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[Motorcity Cobra]

You said Kovalev but I think you mean Stevenson. U mention Jack coming off a draw vs DeGale who many thought loss to a journeyman in Porky Medina and some thought had a draw vs Bute. That doesn't qualify as a big fight.

Brook-Spence is only happening cuz its in the UK. HBO could have picked that up for a small fee but Showtime has it. Joshua Klitschko could still end up on HBO. Thurman-Garcia was a big fight but that was on CBS. Leo vs Frampton was good too. Agree with you there.



Kovalev can fight the Beterbiev-Barrera winner, Gvozdyk-Yuniesky winner, Joe Smith Jr and they will be big fights. Ward can fight the same guys, minus Barrera since there is no need for a rematch and they are big fights. That is just one division.

How about GGG-Billy Joe Saunders or GGG vs Zurdo Ramirez? Bradley can fight PBC welters on HBO, so can Vargas. Loma can unify vs Berchelt, rematch Salido, etc. There are so many big fights

You know Jack soundly beat Bute. Anybody who watches boxing knows that.

GGG-Ramirez isn't happening. Ramirez isn't a big enough name at 168. GGG has repeatedly said he'll only move up for big fights. Ramirez has been off for a year and is fighting on a PPV that won't sell and he's not even headlining the PPV. He'd have to raise his profile a whole lot more to get a GGG fight in the second half of the year and that's not happening.

BJS has the last belt GGG wants. He's gonna command more than Jacobs. If the fight is staged in GGG's home country I'll agree it's a big fight on regular HBO. But if that fight is in America it's a PPV.

Beterbiev-Barrera is an IBF eliminator. The winner gets the winner of Kovalev-Ward. If Ward and Barrera wins that's a shit fight. Ward washed him in his first fight. Barrera has nothing to bother Ward. Ward vs. Kovalev will have another rematch clause because Ward has 3 belts. If Kovalev wins he's facing Ward again. If Kovalev wins and he has to face Barrera that's not a big fight. Beating Ward's leftovers isn't a big fight. If Barrera vs. Kovalev was a big fight, Main Events would've made that fight instead of allowing Barrera to fight Ward and lose his mandatory spot for Kovalev.

Brook vs. Spence is only happening because it's a mandatory. Not because it's in the UK. Haymon and Co. were prepared to go to a purse bid. Hearn kept talking about the 75/25 split he'd have but he chose to pay up instead of risking the purse bid.

Bradley vs. any PBC welterweight on HBO would be PPV. Bradley wanted to much money for the Porter fight. He has a $2 mil guarantee. Thurman, Garcia, Spence or Porter would have to be on PPV. They aren't taking $500k to fight on regular HBO.

What does a PBC welter have to gain by fighting Vargas? He's not a name and he doesn't have a belt. Porter went after Bradley and when Bradley priced himself out they went after Berto. If Vargas is fighting a PBC fighter on HBO it's because Vargas needs a fight, not because a PBC fighter needs a fight. And if HBO comes to PBC for a fighter on HBO they're gonna have to pay above market rate.

Nobody is checking for Gvozdyk. He's not a name. He doesn't have a belt. If he beats Yuniesky he's doing something Pascal and Sharbanskky have already done. It didn't make either one of them a bigger name so why would it make Gvozdyk a bigger name and it wouldn't prove Gvozdyk is top level.

Canelo owes HBO a non-PPV fight. That's going to take up a big chunk of their budget you aren't accounting for. We saw last year when he got injured, HBO was able to afford several more fights.

The biggest realistic fight on HBO in the second half of the year is Cuadras v. Gonzalez.

[killakali]

You know Jack soundly beat Bute. Anybody who watches boxing knows that.

GGG-Ramirez isn't happening. Ramirez isn't a big enough name at 168. GGG has repeatedly said he'll only move up for big fights. Ramirez has been off for a year and is fighting on a PPV that won't sell and he's not even headlining the PPV. He'd have to raise his profile a whole lot more to get a GGG fight in the second half of the year and that's not happening.

BJS has the last belt GGG wants. He's gonna command more than Jacobs. If the fight is staged in GGG's home country I'll agree it's a big fight on regular HBO. But if that fight is in America it's a PPV.

Beterbiev-Barrera is an IBF eliminator. The winner gets the winner of Kovalev-Ward. If Ward and Barrera wins that's a shit fight. Ward washed him in his first fight. Barrera has nothing to bother Ward. Ward vs. Kovalev will have another rematch clause because Ward has 3 belts. If Kovalev wins he's facing Ward again. If Kovalev wins and he has to face Barrera that's not a big fight. Beating Ward's leftovers isn't a big fight. If Barrera vs. Kovalev was a big fight, Main Events would've made that fight instead of allowing Barrera to fight Ward and lose his mandatory spot for Kovalev.

Brook vs. Spence is only happening because it's a mandatory. Not because it's in the UK. Haymon and Co. were prepared to go to a purse bid. Hearn kept talking about the 75/25 split he'd have but he chose to pay up instead of risking the purse bid.

Bradley vs. any PBC welterweight on HBO would be PPV. Bradley wanted to much money for the Porter fight. He has a $2 mil guarantee. Thurman, Garcia, Spence or Porter would have to be on PPV. They aren't taking $500k to fight on regular HBO.

What does a PBC welter have to gain by fighting Vargas? He's not a name and he doesn't have a belt. Porter went after Bradley and when Bradley priced himself out they went after Berto. If Vargas is fighting a PBC fighter on HBO it's because Vargas needs a fight, not because a PBC fighter needs a fight. And if HBO comes to PBC for a fighter on HBO they're gonna have to pay above market rate.

Nobody is checking for Gvozdyk. He's not a name. He doesn't have a belt. If he beats Yuniesky he's doing something Pascal and Sharbanskky have already done. It didn't make either one of them a bigger name so why would it make Gvozdyk a bigger name and it wouldn't prove Gvozdyk is top level.

Canelo owes HBO a non-PPV fight. That's going to take up a big chunk of their budget you aren't accounting for. We saw last year when he got injured, HBO was able to afford several more fights.

The biggest realistic fight on HBO in the second half of the year is Cuadras v. Gonzalez.

you can also add Chocolate vs Gallo Estrada and Estrada vs Cuadras and Chocolatito vs Inoue.

You say Vargas isn't a big enough name but you mention Porter fighting Berto. Who is Berto? Hell who is Porter? Neither has a belt. Berto lost to Soto Karass lol. Porter had a draw with a shot to shiet Joel Diaz. His biggest wins are Devon freaking Alexander who lost to Aron Martinez. And Berto lost to Victor Ortiz besides Soto Karass and was getting schooled by Josesito Lopez before he caught him.

I think you are overrating some of these PBC guys.

You say Gvozdyk beating Gonzalez is something Pascal and Shabranskyy already did but didnt Floyd, Soto Karass, Victor Ortiz beat Berto lol. Its the same ****. Gvozdyk beat Chilemba better than anyone else has.

Ward vs Joe Smith is a big fight so is Kovalev vs Smith. Barrera-Beterbiev will become a mandatory but that fight won't happen for a year and the Ward Kovalev rematch winner may just drop the belt and the fight never happens.

GGG will definitely fight on HBO this year. Canelo isn't for sure. He always says he will fight 3x a year but it hasn't happened in years.

We could get Zurdo Ramirez vs Chavez Jr too.

We also forgot Usyk who could fight Haymon's stud cruiser who just beat Lebedev..I can't think of his name at the moment.

[Motorcity Cobra]

you can also add Chocolate vs Gallo Estrada and Estrada vs Cuadras and Chocolatito vs Inoue.

You say Vargas isn't a big enough name but you mention Porter fighting Berto. Who is Berto? Hell who is Porter? Neither has a belt. Berto lost to Soto Karass lol. Porter had a draw with a shot to shiet Joel Diaz. His biggest wins are Devon freaking Alexander who lost to Aron Martinez. And Berto lost to Victor Ortiz besides Soto Karass and was getting schooled by Josesito Lopez before he caught him.

I think you are overrating some of these PBC guys.

You say Gvozdyk beating Gonzalez is something Pascal and Shabranskyy already did but didnt Floyd, Soto Karass, Victor Ortiz beat Berto lol. Its the same ****. Gvozdyk beat Chilemba better than anyone else has.

Ward vs Joe Smith is a big fight so is Kovalev vs Smith. Barrera-Beterbiev will become a mandatory but that fight won't happen for a year and the Ward Kovalev rematch winner may just drop the belt and the fight never happens.

GGG will definitely fight on HBO this year. Canelo isn't for sure. He always says he will fight 3x a year but it hasn't happened in years.

We could get Zurdo Ramirez vs Chavez Jr too.

We also forgot Usyk who could fight Haymon's stud cruiser who just beat Lebedev..I can't think of his name at the moment.

Gonzalez v. Inoue will be in Japan. Inoue has absolutely no presence in the U.S., neither fighter speaks English. You have to stop thinking like a fight fan and put yourself in Peter Nelson shoes. HBO is a business and with their choices in fights they've shown they're going the cheap route because of their budget.

Berto is a bigger name than Vargas and Haymon is putting that fight on PBC. Why would he send Porter to HBO to fight Vargas when there's no title involved? Vargas has nothing to offer Porter, hell, he has nothing to offer Berto at this point. Vargas is the one that needs a fight. Who else is he gonna fight? Bradley again?

The fighters you keep mentioning have no name recognition, no belts, and don't fight enough on TV. Nobody is checking for Gvozdyk or Gonzalez. Neither has a belt and neither speaks English.

HBO has to keep going to PBC to get their top fighters fights. Two out of the last 3 GGG and Canelo's fights have been against PBC fighters and they've paid above market value to stage those fight.

All of the big fights for HBO fighters are outside HBO's stable, sans Canelo-GGG, Ward-Kovalev, Pacquiao-Crawford and Cuadras-Gonzalez. All those fights will be PPV except Cuadras-Gonzalez. But with the money Gonzalez is asking for it might end up on PPV. The rest are HBO Latino fights. Lemieux vs. Stevens is a main event this weekend. Two guys who are going nowhere in the middleweight division. The fight may turn out to be good but neither one is going anywhere in their division.

You keep bringing up Ramirez. Ramirez is a non factor in a weak division. He's a undercard fighter on a card that HBO refused to pay under a million dollars for.

[killakali]

Gonzalez v. Inoue will be in Japan. Inoue has absolutely no presence in the U.S., neither fighter speaks English. You have to stop thinking like a fight fan and put yourself in Peter Nelson shoes. HBO is a business and with their choices in fights they've shown they're going the cheap route because of their budget.

Berto is a bigger name than Vargas and Haymon is putting that fight on PBC. Why would he send Porter to HBO to fight Vargas when there's no title involved? Vargas has nothing to offer Porter, hell, he has nothing to offer Berto at this point. Vargas is the one that needs a fight. Who else is he gonna fight? Bradley again?

The fighters you keep mentioning have no name recognition, no belts, and don't fight enough on TV. Nobody is checking for Gvozdyk or Gonzalez. Neither has a belt and neither speaks English.

HBO has to keep going to PBC to get their top fighters fights. Two out of the last 3 GGG and Canelo's fights have been against PBC fighters and they've paid above market value to stage those fight.

All of the big fights for HBO fighters are outside HBO's stable, sans Canelo-GGG, Ward-Kovalev, Pacquiao-Crawford and Cuadras-Gonzalez. All those fights will be PPV except Cuadras-Gonzalez. But with the money Gonzalez is asking for it might end up on PPV. The rest are HBO Latino fights. Lemieux vs. Stevens is a main event this weekend. Two guys who are going nowhere in the middleweight division. The fight may turn out to be good but neither one is going anywhere in their division.

You keep bringing up Ramirez. Ramirez is a non factor in a weak division. He's a undercard fighter on a card that HBO refused to pay under a million dollars for.

the three fighters on that card are youngup and comers ramirez, valdez and magdaleno. Wait till their fights in the 2nd half on HBO before you judge.

Porter and Berto both have no belts and nowhere to go. Why do you think they both have been on the shelf for close to a year? Now they are fighting each other because Thurman didn't want a rematch with Porter and Berto couldn't find anyone else willing to fight him. Without a belt he isn't a big fight.

That fight is going to be on Showtime and not a PBC channel.

[Motorcity Cobra]

the three fighters on that card are youngup and comers ramirez, valdez and magdaleno. Wait till their fights in the 2nd half on HBO before you judge.

Porter and Berto both have no belts and nowhere to go. Why do you think they both have been on the shelf for close to a year? Now they are fighting each other because Thurman didn't want a rematch with Porter and Berto couldn't find anyone else willing to fight him. Without a belt he isn't a big fight.

That fight is going to be on Showtime and not a PBC channel.

HBO refused to buy that Top Rank card & Top Rank was asking for less than a million dollars. And the card try offered HBO was a better card than this one. It was Valdez vs. Marriaga and Ramirez vs. Jesse Hart. Thru wanted under a million dollars for that card and HBO refused. If they won't buy that card at they price what Valdez or Zurdo fights are they going to buy?

Berto is ranked #2 by the WBC. A Porter win will vault him into the mandatory position since Khan is refusing to enforce his position.

Showtime is a PBC channel

[killakali]

HBO refused to buy that Top Rank card & Top Rank was asking for less than a million dollars. And the card try offered HBO was a better card than this one. It was Valdez vs. Marriaga and Ramirez vs. Jesse Hart. Thru wanted under a million dollars for that card and HBO refused. If they won't buy that card at they price what Valdez or Zurdo fights are they going to buy?

Berto is ranked #2 by the WBC. A Porter win will vault him into the mandatory position since Khan is refusing to enforce his position.

Showtime is a PBC channel

Actually the PBC mantra is Free Boxing For All. Showtime buys fights and is a subscription fee based premium network. Completely different than their model of NBC, ESPN, FS1 etc.

Your comment about HBO proves my point even more. I think HBO is saving a lot of their budget for the 2nd half of the year. Lets revisit this in July when fights are being made for Sept/Oct etc