Comments Thread For: Why Atlas Leaving Golovkin Off His P4P List is Deeply Flawed

[aboutfkntime]

I'm not fussed on your list - its got the right names. If you want to take Golovkin out its you're right - it's you're list. But you have to apply your criteria evenly then?

Spence has beaten Bundu and Algieri. Yet these are better than Murray and Lemieux ?

I do think Spence WILL be P4P top 5 - but not now - maybe he is top 30 now. If he fights and beats Brook he might justify somewhere between 8 to 15 on list.

agree, good call

[aboutfkntime]

All p4p lists are flawed its just something people pull out of their ar5e5!

amen

[aboutfkntime]

In my universe.

Pacquiao is the only ww able to beat Bradley and Pacquiao is on his way out.

Considering the fact that no current ww can beat Bradley when Pac is gone, I rate him both highly, and higher.



See the explanation above.

And LOL @ you considering a win over Vargas truly significant.

The fact that you call all the other fighters on that list overrated tells us all we need to know about your knowledge of boxing. The only truly overrated fighter on there is Canelo.

good call

how the fk could anyone rank Golovkin over Pacquiao ?

what possible criteria could swing that ? LMAO

[ceylon mooney]

leaving golovkin off. ok. thats...cant find a word.

the inclusion of manny pacquiao aint questionable at all, but SPENCE?

teddy atlas
says some dumb ****. and he is awful with fight picks.

spence?

[ceylon mooney]

hoky crap why the **** is thurman on the list?

and this is this dumb for a lotta fans--how can a boxing expert come up with this list? was he drunk or something?

[brownplayboy310]

If he doesn't have GGG on there then he needs to take out Errol Spence. GGG hasn't beat anyone high level (in their natural weight class), but either has Errol Spence.

[mathed]

He questioned Manny place because of his criteria. Manny has faded, and that was a criteria.

But he also did it to show the contradiction Atlas used.

But more importantly, Brook whoops both Vargas and Bradley.



No one does! That statement alone is easily debunked. Ali often did. I've seen quit a few fighters do it in and out of the ring.

Kimbo Slice did it all the time. And to huge mother ****ers who no doubt packed a punch. Why, because when you lay into a guy that can hurt you and he smiles or nods, you know you're in ****ing trouble.

GGG doesn't do it to everyone. But I know he's invited punches, and I know Wade, Monroe, and Brook were on their back feet after they realized they couldn't hurt ggg and the fight was just gonna be them getting hurt.

But cool, hate on. It's all very easily to debunk.

Bradley boxes Brook up. Timmeh should take a tune up fight first though, he's been out of the ring for a minute.

[gabossboy]

I don't agree with the list, but Canelo has certainly faced tougher opposition that GGG. First off, Canelo faced Mayweather. The best boxer ever. 2nd he faced Lara, Mosley and Cotto. Who are all better than anyone GGG has ever fought. GGG should be on the list. Ward and Kovalev should be ranked higher. Pacquiao can and will best just about every Welterweight with a name. Spence hasn't fought anybody, but will get his day soon.

[SugarRaRobinson]

Let's all just keep it real : He left ggg off because he's as sick as everyone else is seeing him knock over cans.

GGG has talent, and it should anger anyone with at least two brain cells to rub together, the level of opposition he chooses.

He won't even fight Canelo with a 10mil guarantee after his camp claimed that Canelo would probably only offer ggg 1 or 2 mils just to avoid the fight. Now it's 10 mil and crickets.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Spence is the 'hot' ticket right now - but he is over-hyped. As was Porter before loosing to Brook.

You got me looking at Boxrec. Not ONE year - seventeen months.

Its great that he Ko'd 6 fighters in 17 months - impressive. Kind of. But these are C rated fighters with maybe the exception of Algieri who has proven to be A on heart but C on ability. Bundu was a B level fighter, being generous, but the guy was 41 when Spence beat him - obviously way past his best and declined even since he fought Thurman which was a tough fight for him.

What I can say about Spence is I believe his legacy will be better than GGG's - unless Golvkin starts putting down serious markers.

Okay, 17 months.

2015 he KO'd four.
2016 he knocked two more out.

All six had never been KO'd before meeting Spence.

One of the six went 12 with a supposed KO artist in Keith Thurman.

One of the six went 12 with a supposed KO artist in Manny Pacquiao, a KO artist in Ruslan Provodnikov, AND almost beat a Top 20 in Amir Khan.

One of the six went 12 with a supposed KO artist in Shawn Porter.

Now, name ANYONE else in the game, regardless of weight class, who has accomplished that. The only one who comes close is Chocolatito.


See, this is what I don't like. Some of you gauge P4P based on factors that would have been legit back in the 80's and 90's - so-and-so beat Top 10 after Top 10, back when almost every fighter could make an argument for being Top 10 and steroids ran the roost. Those days are gone. Long gone. They're not coming back.

You need to base P4P on today's cleaned up boxing. Which is business driven, not who a fighter fought, but HOW they fought.

1. Has said fighter ever been knocked out cold, quit or been stopped? If this is has ever happened, you cannot be on the list.
2. Is said fighter CLEARLY on the decline? If that has happened, verified, you cannot be on the list.
3. Have you CLEARLY lost at least one fight? If that's the case, you need to be lower on the list.
4. Have you beaten champions in multiple weight classes? If not, you need to be lower on the list.
5. Are you always subject to the same flaws (Khan to a chin shot, Manny to a right hand, Joshua in the pocket, Golovkin to pressure, etc)? If so, you really shouldn't be on the list. I give G a pass only because he checks off so many other criteria.
6. Have you been on the canvas? If so, you need to be lower on the list (in NO way do I have Andre Ward anywhere near Top 5 for this reason)
7. Do you stick with a successful style and adapt it only when necessary based on who you're fighting? If so, you need to be on the list.
8. Have you been given gift decisions repeatedly? If so, you need to be off the list or very low on it.
9. Could you hold up a US PPV just by your name being on the marquee no matter who you fight? IF so, you get on the list.