Comments Thread For: Why Atlas Leaving Golovkin Off His P4P List is Deeply Flawed

[Combat Talk Radio]

The only members of the list I question at this point are Pacquiao (obviously) and Rigo.

Pacquiao certainly had to lose P4P given the track. This is a guy who got beat by Bradley, knocked smoove out by Marquez, embarrassed by TBE in a pitiful showing.

Rigo is 36 years old with less than 20 fights to his name. Yes, he's dominated his division, but that's all he's done. He's way too inactive.

Spence? I'm fine with it. He's done things that other fighters failed to do in a shorter time. He's busy, and he's taking on good, solid fights. He's not biting off too much nor is he surfing on complete bums. Remember, Algieri, Barrera, Lo Greco, Van Heerden, Vargas and Bundu had never been knocked out before meeting Spence. Not even Mr. One Time himself was able to do what Spence did to Bundu. All six of those were in ONE YEAR. In one year, Errol Spence blew through six quality fighters. How can he not be on that list? People need to give him credit.

Golovkin MAYBE fits #10, with Spence #9. I'd accept that.

I'd put Tyson Fury on there, but he's too damn inactive and unpredictable. A shame because he is quite talented.

[nycsmooth]

Pac & Spence should not even be in there Fraudverez should be @ best , 10.. Atlas is getting worse with age... where will Garcia be if he beats Thurman???

[ramblingalp]

Even though all p-p-p lists are purely subjective, I personally prefer the Ring Mag list:

Rank Fighter Record Weight Class(es) Title(s)
1 Nicaragua Román González[2] 46–0 (38 KO) Super Flyweight WBC Super flyweight champion
2 United States Andre Ward[3] 31–0 (15 KO) Light heavyweight Undisputed WBA, IBF and WBO light heavyweight champion
3 Russia Sergey Kovalev[4] 30–1–1 (26 KO) Light heavyweight WBC Diamond Champion, WBO Super Champion
4 Kazakhstan Gennady Golovkin[5] 36–0 (33 KO) Middleweight Super WBA, WBC, IBF and IBO middleweight champion
5 United States Terence Crawford[6] 30–0 (21 KO) Junior welterweight WBC, WBO and The Ring Junior welterweight champion
6 Ukraine Vasyl Lomachenko[7] 7–1 (5 KO) Super featherweight WBO Super featherweight champion
7 Cuba Guillermo Rigondeaux[8] 17–0 (11 KO) Junior featherweight Super WBA super bantamweight champion
8 Mexico Saúl Álvarez[9] 48–1–1 (34 KO) Middleweight
Light Middleweight The Ring middleweight champion and WBO Junior Middleweight champion
9 Japan Shinsuke Yamanaka[10] 26–0–2 (18 KO) Bantamweight WBC and The Ring bantamweight champion
10 Japan Naoya Inoue[11] 12–0 (10 KO) Super Flyweight WBO Junior Bantamweight champion

I would replace #9 Yamanaka (never heard of him) with Mikey Garcia. Just my nickels worth...

[SteveM]

I really don't see much of an issue with that list??? Am I missing something??? Thurman is the only odd one??? I would drop him and then move everyone else up then Put Mikey Garcia at #10 or Thurman. I would reorder it like this...

1. Roman Gonzalez
2. Andre Ward
3. Sergey Kovalev
4. Vasyl Lomachenko
5. Terence Crawford
6. Guillermo Rigondeaux
7. Manny Pacquiao
8. Canelo Alvarez
9. Errol Spence Jr.
10. Keith Thurman

I couldn't justify putting in GGG because he's never fought anyone worth a damn??? Until Jacobs. After the fight if he smashes Jacobs I'll never bring that up again. And would put him at #7. If he beats Canelo and get Hopkins record, then moves up in weight to beat some SMW I could easily see him shooting up the list...

I'm not fussed on your list - its got the right names. If you want to take Golovkin out its you're right - it's you're list. But you have to apply your criteria evenly then?

Spence has beaten Bundu and Algieri. Yet these are better than Murray and Lemieux ?

I do think Spence WILL be P4P top 5 - but not now - maybe he is top 30 now. If he fights and beats Brook he might justify somewhere between 8 to 15 on list.

[Chaos]

Since when was Atlas "respected" and "beloved?" The guy's an over the top clown who lets his personal biases cloud his judgement regularly.

[SteveM]

The only members of the list I question at this point are Pacquiao (obviously) and Rigo.

Pacquiao certainly had to lose P4P given the track. This is a guy who got beat by Bradley, knocked smoove out by Marquez, embarrassed by TBE in a pitiful showing.

Rigo is 36 years old with less than 20 fights to his name. Yes, he's dominated his division, but that's all he's done. He's way too inactive.

Spence? I'm fine with it. He's done things that other fighters failed to do in a shorter time. He's busy, and he's taking on good, solid fights. He's not biting off too much nor is he surfing on complete bums. Remember, Algieri, Barrera, Lo Greco, Van Heerden, Vargas and Bundu had never been knocked out before meeting Spence. Not even Mr. One Time himself was able to do what Spence did to Bundu. All six of those were in ONE YEAR. In one year, Errol Spence blew through six quality fighters. How can he not be on that list? People need to give him credit.

Golovkin MAYBE fits #10, with Spence #9. I'd accept that.

I'd put Tyson Fury on there, but he's too damn inactive and unpredictable. A shame because he is quite talented.

Spence is the 'hot' ticket right now - but he is over-hyped. As was Porter before loosing to Brook.

You got me looking at Boxrec. Not ONE year - seventeen months.

Its great that he Ko'd 6 fighters in 17 months - impressive. Kind of. But these are C rated fighters with maybe the exception of Algieri who has proven to be A on heart but C on ability. Bundu was a B level fighter, being generous, but the guy was 41 when Spence beat him - obviously way past his best and declined even since he fought Thurman which was a tough fight for him.

What I can say about Spence is I believe his legacy will be better than GGG's - unless Golvkin starts putting down serious markers.

[ChiCityExtractz]

Pacquiao is def making the list. Hardly anyone looks as good as he does. Hes already 38 and still backin bigger dudes up. Champs.. top 5 in divisions. Keith thurman has no business above manny. Manny is still the king of welters and its based on his body of work and how hes sensational still. Teddys crazy. But GGG should be on here not no ****in errol spence, what has he done? Lol nothing

[ChiCityExtractz]

Cant blame ggg, the girls dont wanna dance with him. Specially canelo

[NearHypnos]

:/... It sounds like this dude hates Canelo. Did he say GGG has faced arguable better opposition or did I just misread that? When did GGG beat better fighters than Cotto, Lara, or Trout? Brook is good but he's 147... your best opponent shouldnt be a WW.. I love GGG but this article reeks of gypsy tears and bias.

Spence may one day be a p4p fighter but heeeelllllll no should he be on this right now. I'm not opposed to having most of the other names on the list but the order is really odd. Someone mentioned Fury but at this point is he even fighting again? Lol. Pac is highish and Spence landed on the list (which is baffling to be honest). Kov should be higher than Ward IMo...


Revelated has to be joking about Spence above GGG and the Rigo comment... Rigo has less fights than Spence and still looks literally unbeatable at 122. But thats ok..cuz all hes done is dominated his division and took it from a top 3-4 p4p fighter. :/... doesn't matter the age what matters are results imo. Rigo and GGG are both some of the more dominating forces in the sport. How is a guy who has yet to produce their results going to rank higher? Spence hasn't even got a real belt as of yet...Just because he MIGHT (I think he will be amazing but I'm not sure if he beats Brook if Brook comes back looking healthy. That's no knock on Brook or Spence they're both studs.) Put the feelings aside and lets thingk logically here.

[1mb11]

Lol, he's a buffoon!