Little Guys Get No Recogition

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  • 1hourRun
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    #11
    Yes despite being 'little-men' they prove to be much bigger men than their constituents that are competing at higher weights, in fighting more top ten opponents and world champions back to back year round. All of the insecurity of being perceived as ignorant to the whole landscape of boxing comes from the fact that you have to actually think for yourself do a little homework ( not counting on boxrec) and make the effort to find fights online and learn the history.

    So they talk about the 3-4 pound difference as somehow invalidating these men from there counterparts right?.....but its OK when Terrance Crawford moves up 5 pounds from 135 to 140 ( a 3.7 % increase in weight ) or what about Lomachenko moving up four pounds from 126-130? ( a 3.1 % increase in weight) or anyone from 122-126 ( a 3.2 % increase in weight ) or from 118-122 ( a 3.3 % increase) -- you start to get the idea. But the slap in the face comes when you tell someone that Roman Gonzalez has put on more weight at the elite championship level more than anyone not named Andre Ward.

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    • SensFullViolenc
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      #12
      Originally posted by boliodogs
      The problem is as he moves up into higher weight classes he is less dominant in the higher weight classes. When you move to a higher weight class your pound for pound worth depends on how good you are in that weight class. You don't get extra points because you moved up from a lighter weight class. He is a 115 pound boxer now and must be judged as a 115 pounder. He didn't win his last fight by very much.
      I understand what your saying but slightly disagree. He is now at Supafly and, yes, he has to be judged as a full Superfly in all his current fights. I thought the Cuadras fight was competitive, but I had Chocolatito winning clearly. I also view Cuadras as a hell of a fighter, just outside the top p4p level, so it was a good win

      But for p4p consideration, I do credit fighters that have had good wins across divisions. I see dudes like Chocolatito, Kovalev, Ward & GGG as all having the talent to be #1 p4p. What separates Chocolatito from them is a better resume across many divisions.

      Its one of the reasons I don't drop Ward in my p4p even tho I think he lost to Kova. I recognize Ward dominated 168, and then was competitive with the very best at 175.

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      • SensFullViolenc
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        #13
        One other reason the little guys fights should get more notice.

        There is more action, more punches thrown. Punch stats don't lie. I do recognize that there is probably less KOs at little weights, but there can still be tremendous action.

        Honestly, most Heavyweight fights are boring to me. Dudes spend like 30 seconds posing, throw one punch, maybe a 1-2, and then reset. Rare to get the multi-punch combinations.

        Its one reason why Heavyweights can fight into their late 30s and still be competitive. Little guys are generally washed up by their early 30s simply because once they lose that half step, they can no longer compete.

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        • Chrismart
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          #14
          115 is a top quality division. The top guys are very good and there is potential for some excellent fights there.
          One of my favourite divisions for sure.

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          • Dr Rumack
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            #15
            One of the biggest issues with the little guys is that they just have no power. Too often, neither guy can hurt the other and they despite trading in volume it doesn't carry the same level of excitement. Obviously there are exceptions, but the general rule stands.

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            • Santa_
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              #16
              Casuals gonna casual.

              Boxingscene, Ring, ESPN, TBRB etc etc all have Chocolatito ranked number 1 P4P.

              Every fighter in the world would love to have that recognition.

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