Comments Thread For: Canelo Says Golovkin Given Good Offer, Not Being Reasonable

[aboutfkntime]

You know nothing about any offers sitting on anybody's table. NOTHING.

And there is no evidence whatsoever that GGG was trying to force Canelo into a purse bid. Neither Canelo, Oscar, or anybody from GBP has ever said that happened.

And if it had gone to a purse bid Golovkin's split would have been 30%, not 45%.

The rule entitling an interim champ to 45% was removed when the WBC updated their rulebook in 2014.

http://wbcboxing.com/wbceng/Rules/WBCRulesandRegulationsJanuary2014.pdf

"2.17 Division of Proceeds in a Purse Offer. The net purse offer (after deduction of all sanction fees payable to the WBC hereunder) shall be divided as follows:
(a) 70% for the champion and 30% for the challenger in title bouts; and
(b) 50% to each contender in the case of vacant titles or elimination bouts; provided, however, that the WBC Board of Governors, may by a majority vote, authorize a modification of the division of purse offer proceeds between boxers in a purse offer in unusual or special cases, such as consideration of outstanding marketing value of one of the boxers, as the WBC shall determine in its sole discretion.
The modification of the split shall be limited to 60-40% and 55-45%, except in the most exceptional circumstances, in which the split may be modified to 50-50%."

interesting

but it does not change the fact that negotiation died because Mr "anyone from 154-168" totally refused to negotiate on the weight

" he is 155, I am 160 " ~ Golovkin

" my body is not ready for middleweight " ~ Canelo

now that Canelo conceded on weight, GGG wants more money

[aboutfkntime]

Maybe calling a man out for a fight in 18 months time - because you need a couple of tune-ups first - is tough guy talk where you come from. Where I come from, we would call that making a tit out of yourself.

you are full-of-shht

http://www.boxingscene.com/andre-ward-golovkin-8-9-different-excuses--92249

http://boxingjunkie.usatoday.com/2015/06/15/andre-ward-its-one-excuse-after-another-with-gennady-golovkin/

only the worst tards deny that Golovkin ducked Ward

[SensFullViolenc]

interesting

but it does not change the fact that negotiation died because Mr "anyone from 154-168" totally refused to negotiate on the weight

" he is 155, I am 160 " ~ Golovkin

" my body is not ready for middleweight " ~ Canelo

now that Canelo conceded on weight, GGG wants more money

the WBC has a Middleweight belt, not a Caneloweight belt, or a Super Jr. Middleweight belt. It was a mandatory defense, so Team GGG could force it to be at 160, his best weight. Should Team Canelo also force GGG (or any Middleweight) to wear 16 oz. gloves.

"Negotiations died" is another way of saying that Canelo refused to defend his mandatory and dumped the belt.

Andwhen the subject of GGG came up again, after the Khan fight, Team Canelo said "OOOHHH, WE WANT THE FIGHT!!... ummm, but in 18 months, see you in Sept. 2017.

The amount of mental gymnastics that Canelosexuals go through to defend his ducking is astounding.

I actually have no problem w Team Canelo delaying the GGG fight. Its a tough fight, and I wouldn't be in any hurry to have my cashcow lose again.

But when Canelo calls GGG into the Ring and then implicates all us Mexicanos by saying "No Mamadas"... and then ducks again ... that brings shame to us Mexicanos. Lost me as a fan.

[Lester Tutor]

the WBC has a Middleweight belt, not a Caneloweight belt, or a Super Jr. Middleweight belt. It was a mandatory defense, so Team GGG could force it to be at 160, his best weight. Should Team Canelo also force GGG (or any Middleweight) to wear 16 oz. gloves.

"Negotiations died" is another way of saying that Canelo refused to defend his mandatory and dumped the belt.

Andwhen the subject of GGG came up again, after the Khan fight, Team Canelo said "OOOHHH, WE WANT THE FIGHT!!... ummm, but in 18 months, see you in Sept. 2017.

The amount of mental gymnastics that Canelosexuals go through to defend his ducking is astounding.

I actually have no problem w Team Canelo delaying the GGG fight. Its a tough fight, and I wouldn't be in any hurry to have my cashcow lose again.

But when Canelo calls GGG into the Ring and then implicates all us Mexicanos by saying "No Mamadas"... and then ducks again ... that brings shame to us Mexicanos. Lost me as a fan.

Cute little story. Did you think of all that when Abel said "Canelo has not made any 154 in years" (before the Smith) fight, and then low and behold Nelo strips for you for another 154 belt, but "For Floyd, most definitely."

Kell Brook, "he's too small, not Middleweight, jusss trash talk... and Hearn had industry back in April of 2016 that Brook wanted a 157 catch, but "For Floyd, most definitely."

Oh but Gennady is infallible because 160 is his desired, especially when big money fights are offered. When Nelo knocks out ggg Nelo will say, "well, I could've gonr easier on him had he accepted the original catch...he was old anyways."

[MagikLair]

Usually, in mega fights, you have comparable star power between the two fighters, compelling the camps to properly split the pot.

Alvarez is easily three times the star Golovkin is, while bringing in 4 or 5 times the money.

It doesn't make sense for Alvarez to split the pot.

But that wasn't the question. I've got no dog in this fight..

My question was when was the last time a fighter has taken a flat fee for a mega fight? If you put them together, then it is a mega-fight

[Scipio2009]

But that wasn't the question. I've got no dog in this fight..

My question was when was the last time a fighter has taken a flat fee for a mega fight? If you put them together, then it is a mega-fight

Cotto-Alvarez was a bigger fight than Alvarez-Golovkin has any chance of being, if we're honest.

Golovkin doesn't bring enough money to be part of a mega-event, and he doesn't have the type of persona to drum up all that much extra interest come the time to promote the actual fight.

Why is there this insistence to call it a megafight?

[Lester Tutor]

Cotto-Alvarez was a bigger fight than Alvarez-Golovkin has any chance of being, if we're honest.

Golovkin doesn't bring enough money to be part of a mega-event, and he doesn't have the type of persona to drum up all that much extra interest come the time to promote the actual fight.

Why is there this insistence to call it a megafight?

THIS. 100%.

It's interesting how people keep saying ''when was the last time boxer X took a flat fee.'' The circumstances are apparent.

RJJ could say, ''why should I give Bhop another rematch'' when he only beat Trinidad. Keep in mind Trinidad and Bhop did 475K PPV. RJJ was a cash cow, Bhop wanted the fight.... how many belts did Bhop have too..

GBP know that their Lemieux made 97K Canadian PPV buys. As far as I know, someone correct me, but that's the only other American country with those official metrics associated to HBO subscription. So what PPV merit has Golovkin given? 15 million... I dunno..sounds like good cash for just one bout out of many to come. And ggg fans keep forgetting that if Golovkin beats Nelo then he gains those followers...

Golovkin is not 100% sure he can beat Alvarez. Golovkin knows fully well, unless he's an idiot, that Alvarez said publicly about the offer. Therefore, why didn't Golovkin refute the pay on the Breakfast Club? Does Gennady not have internet? Is this the ******* way at Big Bear? I doubt it because we'Ve seen videos of Gennady on his cell phone...as if he doesn'T know how to use cellular data.

[MagikLair]

Cotto-Alvarez was a bigger fight than Alvarez-Golovkin has any chance of being, if we're honest.

Golovkin doesn't bring enough money to be part of a mega-event, and he doesn't have the type of persona to drum up all that much extra interest come the time to promote the actual fight.

Why is there this insistence to call it a megafight?

I think it's a fight everyone wants to see.. I'm just curious as to what the last time a fighter has taken a flat fee for a mega fight. Even if you don't want to call or think this a mega fight, what other fighter has taken a flat fee?

[Scipio2009]

I think it's a fight everyone wants to see.. I'm just curious as to what the last time a fighter has taken a flat fee for a mega fight. Even if you don't want to call or think this a mega fight, what other fighter has taken a flat fee?

"everyone", as in, at most, 700k PPV homes?

Golovkin is being offered the fight for $15m, in a showdown where Golovkin's involvement comes nowhere near delivering an addition $15m on top of whatever Alvarez is able to draw.

Why are you so hung up on the flat fee and not even acknowledging the $15m offer?

[aboutfkntime]

the WBC has a Middleweight belt, not a Caneloweight belt, or a Super Jr. Middleweight belt. It was a mandatory defense, so Team GGG could force it to be at 160, his best weight. Should Team Canelo also force GGG (or any Middleweight) to wear 16 oz. gloves.

"Negotiations died" is another way of saying that Canelo refused to defend his mandatory and dumped the belt.

Andwhen the subject of GGG came up again, after the Khan fight, Team Canelo said "OOOHHH, WE WANT THE FIGHT!!... ummm, but in 18 months, see you in Sept. 2017.

The amount of mental gymnastics that Canelosexuals go through to defend his ducking is astounding.

I actually have no problem w Team Canelo delaying the GGG fight. Its a tough fight, and I wouldn't be in any hurry to have my cashcow lose again.

But when Canelo calls GGG into the Ring and then implicates all us Mexicanos by saying "No Mamadas"... and then ducks again ... that brings shame to us Mexicanos. Lost me as a fan.

the B-side does not " force " anything

and Golovkin is more like the C-side compared to Canelo

they killed the fight with that amateur rubbish

they should have negotiated in good faith

and Mr " anyone from 154-168 " should have negotiated on the weight..... but now, he has to wait

that was his decision, stop blaming Canelo.....

Golovkin Would Fight Ward at 168 and Canelo at 154.....

http://thaboxingvoice.com/golovkin-aims-high-and-low-would-fight-ward-at-168-and-canelo-at-154/15398?var=no

they were ****** thinking they could get an undeserved advantage over a superstar like Canelo

Mr " anyone from 154-168 " totally refused to negotiate on the weight with the superstar Canelo..... now, he has to wait until Canelo is a fully fledged middleweight

why on earth would/should the superstar Canelo concede anything to Golovkin, who was completely unwilling to make concessions for Cotto, Ward, Froch, and Canelo himself?

why do you GGG fans think that the world owes him a living?