People say Brook was ducking Spence? I'm struggling to understand

[al-Xander]

Pointless thread as the fight negotiations are already in progress. Nothing to discuss here.

[Robbie Barrett]

You're tripping if you think Cotto is some mega fight at this point in his career.

Not unless you think Brook will fight him in puerto rico

Cotto is a mega fight compared to Spence.

[Ray*]

I wouldn't say duck, that gets thrown about too often for my liken. Am definitely disappointed with Brook resume though up to this point even if he fights and beat Spence. And I think the fact that Brook promoter talks too much about another fighter instead of their mandatory, made people think what is going on.

[FLY TY]

Neither the cotto or khan fights were ever serious options. Khan wanted a tuneup after surgery, and cotto is NEVER traveling to the UK.

Brook and Hearn were seemingly grasping at straws, while trying to hold onto the belt, while mentioning every WW's name except the guy in front of them.

Call it what you want, but it didn't take them months to decide whether or not they were fighting Dan, Gavin, or Bizier.

[deathofaclown]

I don't think he's ever been ducking Spence, they were waiting to see if they can get the Khan fight made, which would have made him a huge amount of money. Can't blame them for that.

So now that fight isn't happening, he's probably weighed up his options for potential big fights and realises there's very little money at 154, even though there's some good fights for the boxing fans. I guess he see's that 147 has bigger fights i.e the Thurman v Garcia winner, Pacquiao is still active, Khan if it ever happens. And in order to remain at 147 as a champ, he now has to fight Spence so he will.

[deathofaclown]

Call it what you want, but it didn't take them months to decide whether or not they were fighting Dan, Gavin, or Bizier.

You can't just simplify things like you did. You have to look at the timing and surrounding issues of that time. The reason they haven't been so quick to fight Spence is because there was potential better financial fights in the works due to Khan's team finally negotiating. That wasn't the case when some of his other mandatories were enforced. Also, he had tried to get Danny Garcia back then but they were told they were waiting on Floyd's next move by Garcia's team because there was talk to Floyd doing his 50th fight. He also tried to get Khan in the ring for the night he fought Gavin.

This Spence mandatory has fallen at a time when the Khan team had finally started to negotiate with Hearn, although they have fallen through, they were right to try and get that fight made because it's much bigger. So now that won't happen, the Spence fight probably will...i see no problem with that.

[gmc_rfc_06]

I don't think he is but I see why people question if he wants to fight Spence Jr! Why? Because he was QUICK to fight Jo Jo Dan, Frankie Gavin and Kevin Bizier with NO ISSUES but with Spence Jr lets be honest it has been a lot of Stalling. By the way just because Hearn mentioned a possible location doesn't mean this fight will happen either. We could wake up tomorrow and Brook vs Cotto or Brook vs Khan is agreed upon just like they did with GGG vs Brook

I guarantee the Hold Up is to also seek a bigger opponent and payday and if they can get something bigger and bigger then they will do that and rightfully so but if they can't then Spence Jr it is. Even if they sign to fight I still wouldn't get my hopes up because of what happened with the Diego Chaves fight!

The difference here is the injury and weight.

He's coming back from an eye injury which in itself has caused a delay, but mostly it's the weight. He put on a fair amount of size to look strong at 160, getting back to 147 (with others telling him not to) has been a matter of uncertainty.

Spence is unfortunate that his mandatory fell after the Golovkin fight, but that's about it.

The fight will happen next unless a bigger fight comes along, which is cool. Brook isn't in the business of doing what's best for Spence or anyone else, he should do what's best for him.

[Ray*]

You can't just simplify things like you did. You have to look at the timing and surrounding issues of that time. The reason they haven't been so quick to fight Spence is because there was potential better financial fights in the works due to Khan's team finally negotiating. That wasn't the case when some of his other mandatories were enforced. Also, he had tried to get Danny Garcia back then but they were told they were waiting on Floyd's next move by Garcia's team because there was talk to Floyd doing his 50th fight. He also tried to get Khan in the ring for the night he fought Gavin.

This Spence mandatory has fallen at a time when the Khan team had finally started to negotiate with Hearn, although they have fallen through, they were right to try and get that fight made because it's much bigger. So now that won't happen, the Spence fight probably will...i see no problem with that.

Even though i kind of agree with your post regarding timing, Brook timing is always on point for NOT so tough fights, We have seen Rio, Chaves, Alexander, Bradley, Vargas all falling through over the last few years alone....

[deathofaclown]

Even though i kind of agree with your post regarding timing, Brook timing is always on point for NOT so tough fights, We have seen Rio, Chaves, Alexander, Bradley, Vargas all falling through over the last few years alone....

Maybe so, but some of them were not actually being negotiated that far into negotiations, they were just discussed and rumoured like Brook fighting Bradley or Rios. Rios was negotiated a bit more but it was Rios' team that turned down the fight anyway, they were even offered a rematch clause back in USA.

We could say that every fighter has avoided X fighter if we only talk about rumoured fights. Let's say Adrien Broner is ducking Ricky Burns because that fight was talked about a few months ago but never happened...but it's just not true is it? - You have to separate the rumoured/loosely negotiated fights from ones that are a real possibility or close to being made.

The Vargas fight didn't happen because Brook fought Golovkin, which is a harder fight but more money, that's understandable. Top Rank has also been holding up negotiations too because Vargas was a potential opponent for Pac at the time, Bob likes it in-house and that happened anyway. Even Vargas' manager at the time couldn't understand why he wouldn't sign to fight Brook when it was a big payday. I think the blame is on both sides for that one not happening.

Alexander also withdrew from the Brook fight with a stress fracture in his ankle, so again, Brook wasn't the only one withdrawing.

As i say, you have to look at the details, not just the basics on the surface.

[sicko]

The difference here is the injury and weight.

He's coming back from an eye injury which in itself has caused a delay, but mostly it's the weight. He put on a fair amount of size to look strong at 160, getting back to 147 (with others telling him not to) has been a matter of uncertainty.

Spence is unfortunate that his mandatory fell after the Golovkin fight, but that's about it.

The fight will happen next unless a bigger fight comes along, which is cool. Brook isn't in the business of doing what's best for Spence or anyone else, he should do what's best for him.

Now that make sense! I personally don't think he is "Ducking" at all but I do think that is why some people are trying to label him "Ducking"

I think "Ducking" get thrown around a lot even when it is not true. We will just have to wait and see!