If Kovalev / Duva DON'T Accept Ward's terms, then Kova was content with the Loss

[.:: JSFD26 ::.]

Roc Nation Sports, in association with Main Events, presents Ward-Kovalev II, from the Barclays Center in Brooklyn, NYC.

The rematch is going to be a bigger fight than the first fight and, if Main Events isn't looking to finance the rematch, I don't doubt that Roc Nation would be more than happy to take on the event, especially if taking on the event would guarantee that they'd be able to stage a massive event in their home borough.

They will most certainly take ANOTHER financial loss staging **** in NYC with taxes and insurance policy bs.

[Lester Tutor]

Roc Nation Sports, in association with Main Events, presents Ward-Kovalev II, from the Barclays Center in Brooklyn, NYC.

The rematch is going to be a bigger fight than the first fight and, if Main Events isn't looking to finance the rematch, I don't doubt that Roc Nation would be more than happy to take on the event, especially if taking on the event would guarantee that they'd be able to stage a massive event in their home borough.

Could the Garden be possible?

[Scipio2009]

First off, I would propose that all fans want to see this fight. Its always been amusing to watch individuals who like the promotional details of the fight... but if people want to go there might as well go there correctly.

It is not as simple as just fighting. Many fighters have neglected to look at their career as a business, and wind up looking for nubs with meat on them in kentucky Fried Chicken dumpsters...Meanwhile guys like King and Arum...and add Oscar to that list, seem to understand that fights are promotional events, for better or for worse... and boxers are often simply the means to an end.

Andre Ward has a serious problem. Like Floyd pre-De La Hoya, ward does not draw a lot of fans from the casuals. Ward wants to transition to big paydays but there is no one to fight. So what does he do? fight to pick up the pennies? What do you think a payday looks like after everyone on your team gets paid? And what of the risks? Ward may feel like it is not worth it.

If Roc Nation really wanted this fight it would be buzzed in the news, they are not promoting this fight that i can see. probably because there is no one left for Ward to fight after this, hence no reason to take a loss on the fight to pay Ward and try to propel him to elite earning status. Of course it is different for Kovalev. He is at a different place in his career and can probably get bigger and fight cruiser eventually...hes also a big puncher which helps moving up.

Everybody talks about Ward but no party to this fight is trying to set up a situation where revenue is increased. If you put this on regular tv then what do you do to sell a pay per view when Ward fights his next opponent who is just a mandatory? Boxing is losing interest and this is an example...the fan base is not there. Scott W. suggested that maybe an interm fight could be had with the puncher from Canada, and then this fight staged...That might be the best solution frankly.

if I am Ward managing my career do I go into the ring for legacy? Do I fight to take home very little? risking my health? Or do I say "I can broadcast fights and if they want me let them pay me, nothing personal." its really between him and his people as you said, if they want this fight to go down they should be shouting it out> promoting the fight, and making it generate interest but they are kind of lacking...Duva doesn't help a bit.

Ward wins the rematch against Kovalev, and Roc Nation crosses the street over to Showtime (Cotto is almost done, so Ward is the talent that they've hitched the company to).

Versus Adonis Stevenson (to unify the belts and the division) and the spectacle of a Joe Smith Jr fight (will leave that for another conversation) are both massive events, and then you've got the que set up for a lot of good fights to take as his title defenses (Beterbiev or Cleverly/Braehmer winner in NYC, Jack in Las Vegas, and then the other possible defenses as options for Oakland).

People always cast their doubts, but Kovalev-Ward sold over $3m worth of tickets, with a lot of folks in the building their to root on Andre Ward. Doubt Oakland if you want, but Ward's basically put 10k people into the building for his last 4 fights at home (selling over $700k in tickets each time out).

America's last male Olympic boxing Gold medalist, light heavyweight kingpin, p4p #1 fighter in the sport, and a genuine good guy (father of 4, married his high school sweetheart, persom of faith without being preachy about it, never in any trouble, etc) with good charisma? Floyd's set a ridiculously high bar, but it's not like Ward isn't going to generate a ton of money (including the expansion of his endorsements profile)

[Eff Pandas]

I'd find it really peculiar if Andre Ward or anyone in Ward's camp, with his HBO deal up after the bout, would agree to a contract that had all the terms already set for the first fight and the rematch in the same deal.

Idk I think it'd be stranger to agree to a rematch for no agreed % increase or minimum payday after you got $5M for the first fight which you won. I think it'd be bad business (not that boxers are known for good business) to agree to a rematch for unknown or perhaps lesser money when their could be much greener pastures out there for you. I tend to think Ward feels like he got f#cked by his previous promoter so I feel like he'd be smarter this time around in more aspects of his career & there is a bump in pay for him in a rematch.

[j0zef]

Ward signed the contract that had the rematch clause and outlined the financial terms. If Roc Nation tells Ward to *** off because they lost a ton of money on his fights, it's not Kovalev problem or responsibility for Ward not getting what he wants.

What a ******ed thread.

[Scipio2009]

ignorance.

Do you know how 5 million breaks down? HALF OF THAT at least goes to uncle sam, then ward pays his people, his expenses. Its just not that much money at all. Its not Ward's job to generate shizzle, its his job to manage his career and fight to win. Look at the job the promoters have done and you will see the problem.

If you're at the point where you're earning over $500k per year to fight, I'm fairly certain that you're no longer filing personal income taxes.

Ward likely has long had his LLC structure settled out (where revenues are taxed at significantly below the top personal tax rate of 39.6% federally, and most expenses that helped generate the revenue for the LLC, ie training expenses, can be written off as business expenses and significantly lower the amount of money actually subject to tax).

Federal/state/local/excise taxes likely net out to 30%-35% of his take, and likely less than that depending on what else he's done with his money.

[Scipio2009]

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[Scipio2009]

They will most certainly take ANOTHER financial loss staging **** in NYC with taxes and insurance policy bs.

Brooklyn Sports & Entertainment (run by the brother of the current RNS boss) was willing to lay out so much money to host Cotto-Alvarez that Golden Boy Promotions was basically compelled to give up north of 70% of the MGM Resorts site fee to match the offer to not have the fight in NYC.

Ward-Kovalev II doesn't have the starpower Cotto-Alvarez did, but it'd be a mistake to think that there isn't the space to make a deal that would make everyone money (especially if they can get some fight week festivities out of the deal, ie pairing Ward-Kovalev II with the 'Monument Series' put on by LiveNation/Roc Nation).

[Scipio2009]

Could the Garden be possible?

I don't see why not, but Jay-Z being based in Brooklyn (in addition with his stake in the New Jersey Nets helping grease the skids for the opening of the arena in Brooklyn and the move by the Brooklyn Nets), and the fact that the head of BSE also happens to be the brother of the president of RNS would make that less likely.

[Scipio2009]

Idk I think it'd be stranger to agree to a rematch for no agreed % increase or minimum payday after you got $5M for the first fight which you won. I think it'd be bad business (not that boxers are known for good business) to agree to a rematch for unknown or perhaps lesser money when their could be much greener pastures out there for you. I tend to think Ward feels like he got f#cked by his previous promoter so I feel like he'd be smarter this time around in more aspects of his career & there is a bump in pay for him in a rematch.

Ward was the challenger, so it was Kovalev's camps prerogative to make sure that there was a rematch in place. Let's remember the situation; Kovalev was the one with the longterm HBO deal, Kovalev was the fighter that HBO was pushing, and HBO wouldn't have agreed to air any of Ward's fights were it not for the reality that he was going to fight Kovalev. If Kovalev won the first fight, it is quite likely that any talk of a rematch would've been deaded by Kovalev/HBO ('respect to Ward, but moving on to bigger/better fights' story).

Chavez Jr is fighting Alvarez in May, the fight is supposed to be a big one, and there's a rematch clause in place.

I doubt that Chavez Jr has any terms for the rematch already set (though there's an understanding that he'll get paid better, I doubt that he has any points on the gate already set).