Will Judah get his fight with Oscar when DK is pulling the strings?

[Bombardier]

I think he will, just because Judah owns all three belts, and Oscar's gotta show up as a mandatory on one of those sooner or later, assuming he does well enough at 147.

King can duck fighters he doesn't own until the alphabets start making life tough for him. He already had to put Rachman in against Klitschko. I think no matter what he'll have to play ball when the time comes.

[spinksjinx]

I think he will, just because Judah owns all three belts, and Oscar's gotta show up as a mandatory on one of those sooner or later, assuming he does well enough at 147.

King can duck fighters he doesn't own until the alphabets start making life tough for him. He already had to put Rachman in against Klitschko. I think no matter what he'll have to play ball when the time comes.

Oscar can make money with any fighter he fights, He can easily avoid Zab. I dont think Oscar cares to much about about the belts at this point and why should he? The goldenboy has been their and done that. Oscar says he wants the big fights at 147 and Oscar could easily face other top fighters and easily avoid Zab. Oscar is looking to make the big fights and has mentioned Tszyu Tszyu Tszyu, Oscar doesnt need the belts and probably doesnt want them.

A mandatory doesnt always have to fight the champion but vice versa.

On a side note, King didnt have to put rahman in with Klitschko, Vitali had to get in their with Rahman as Rahman was the mandatory and Klitschko the champion. Vitali HAD to face Rahman not the other way around.

[Bombardier]

Oscar can make money with any fighter he fights, He can easily avoid Zab. I dont think Oscar cares to much about about the belts at this point and why should he? The goldenboy has been their and done that. Oscar says he wants the big fights at 147 and Oscar could easily face other top fighters and easily avoid Zab. Oscar is looking to make the big fights and has mentioned Tszyu Tszyu Tszyu, Oscar doesnt need the belts and probably doesnt want them.

Tszyu still has to make the weight, though. I got the impression that Oscar dropped down to 147 specfically because it was the easiest division that he could get into and win titles. 140's way too deep and 154 has all the guys that gave him trouble, plus Winky Wright. Seems like he wanted to make himself a "champion" again and go from there. To do that, he will now have to go through Zab.

I could see a fight with Tszyu down the road sometime. I figure he'll fight Mayweather and then move up no matter what the result.

On a side note, King didnt have to put rahman in with Klitschko, Vitali had to get in their with Rahman as Rahman was the mandatory and Klitschko the champion. Vitali HAD to face Rahman not the other way around.

King still had to agree to the fight, though, right? If he didn't I'm sure that some sort of sanctions would follow, which is why he had no choice.

[spinksjinx]

Tszyu still has to make the weight, though. I got the impression that Oscar dropped down to 147 specfically because it was the easiest division that he could get into and win titles. 140's way too deep and 154 has all the guys that gave him trouble, plus Winky Wright. Seems like he wanted to make himself a "champion" again and go from there. To do that, he will now have to go through Zab.

I could see a fight with Tszyu down the road sometime. I figure he'll fight Mayweather and then move up no matter what the result.



King still had to agree to the fight, though, right? If he didn't I'm sure that some sort of sanctions would follow, which is why he had no choice.

Of course, and King knows out of all of the heavyweights today that Rahman being the fact paced guy he is in shape has the most viable chance of beating Vitali and thats why this fight was most likely agreed upon, Im not sure whether King got options on Vitali by it being a mandatory defense but im sure it was in Kings favor and he will probably be taking home the biggest purse that not.

This is really only Kings chance to get the 4th and final heavyweight belt to his stable and is willing to take chance.

People think King will not run the heavyweight division much longer due to them thinking Vitali will beat Rahman (I go either way, im rooting for Rahman but common sense says Vitali Rahman is to lazy) and The "rumored" Chris Byrd vs Wladimir Klitschko fight and James Toney vs Ruiz. Well in the latest interview, Chris Byrd has flat out said their isnt noway in hell he is fighting Wladimir so dont expect that to happen and Ruiz will hug his way against Toney to an ugly decision. Keeping King still holding onto the division.

Rahman is Kings savior at this point.

[Bombardier]

Of course, and King knows out of all of the heavyweights today that Rahman being the fact paced guy he is in shape has the most viable chance of beating Vitali and thats why this fight was most likely agreed upon, Im not sure whether King got options on Vitali by it being a mandatory defense but im sure it was in Kings favor and he will probably be taking home the biggest purse that not.

This is really only Kings chance to get the 4th and final heavyweight belt to his stable and is willing to take chance.

People think King will not run the heavyweight division much longer due to them thinking Vitali will beat Rahman (I go either way, im rooting for Rahman but common sense says Vitali Rahman is to lazy) and The "rumored" Chris Byrd vs Wladimir Klitschko fight and James Toney vs Ruiz. Well in the latest interview, Chris Byrd has flat out said their isnt noway in hell he is fighting Wladimir so dont expect that to happen and Ruiz will hug his way against Toney to an ugly decision. Keeping King still holding onto the division.

Rahman is Kings savior at this point.

If King tries to get the better of a deal in a fight with Oscar than it might never happen. I can see your point.

Hope things don't play out in the heavyweight division like you predict. I like Rachman but I'd like to see him lose just so King can't gloat about it. Toney - Ruiz is risky too if King organizes the event...Ruiz's last couple of "wins" have been too way too iffy.

[spinksjinx]

If King tries to get the better of a deal in a fight with Oscar than it might never happen. I can see your point.

Hope things don't play out in the heavyweight division like you predict. I like Rachman but I'd like to see him lose just so King can't gloat about it. Toney - Ruiz is risky too if King organizes the event...Ruiz's last couple of "wins" have been too way too iffy.

Im not entirely sure Oscar would really deal with King, especially with Hopkins next to him..Maybe but who knows, Last I heard is that Golden Boy Promotions is getting thrown into the court case with Hopkins and King, because King claims he still has options on Bernard and he went and signed with another company. Although at the time of the dlh/hopkins fight King was suing Top Rank for signing on Bernard for a 1 fight deal.

It's a fiasco and the whole thing is confusing as hell and makes it bad for business.

[Bombardier]

Im not entirely sure Oscar would really deal with King, especially with Hopkins next to him..Maybe but who knows, Last I heard is that Golden Boy Promotions is getting thrown into the court case with Hopkins and King, because King claims he still has options on Bernard and he went and signed with another company. Although at the time of the dlh/hopkins fight King was suing Top Rank for signing on Bernard for a 1 fight deal.

It's a fiasco and the whole thing is confusing as hell and makes it bad for business.

King's been badmouthing Bernard and Arum's been badmouthing De La Hoya...Golden Boy his big-name enemies but may come out on top in the end.

[spinksjinx]

King's been badmouthing Bernard and Arum's been badmouthing De La Hoya...Golden Boy his big-name enemies but may come out on top in the end.

Golden Boy has a lot of potential and financial backing to make it succeed. While top rank may be on the downslide, when King passes I totally expect DKP to take back over and possibly even obliterate Golden Boy (in due time). Carl King Don's son is no joke and pushover, he has great ideas and wants to expand (if you havent noticed by them doing midwest and down south events) Somehow the King always rides higher than the rest and Carl has unbelievable talent doing what he does for his fathers business.

It's going to be a long battle, De la hoya can stay for the ride provided Oscar gets good backing financially or is willing to throw a lot of his money away.

This process will take years to pick apart and get right on track. I wouldnt expect anything of importance to really happen in all honesty until about 2010. Golden Boy is still fresh and young and a lot of things can change and go wrong.

[guru]

i dont think zab can beat oscar, moes or vernon

[PRboxingfan]

DLH has a tough road ahead of him at Welter. He would have a tough time against Margarito, would probably get KO'd against Cintron, and is too slow to take on Zab. Basically, he is going to have a tough fight with whomever he choses to fight. I think Golden Boy is done, actually, because I can't see him dominating any of the current top fighters. He isn't the Oscar of old, he's an old Oscar. Thanx in part to his trainer, FM Sr. and the beating he took (psychologicaly) against Hopkins.