HBO losing subscribers... Boxing getting cut?

[xhiddenx87]

You didn't read the post... said that if HBO pulls back on boxing spend but feels no loss in subscribers... they will likely cut boxing altogether as nobody cares about it.

ohh sorry, misleading title...
Only time will tell, what will happen with the boxing market, to me , the best way to measure this will be the GGG PPV numbers if it does less than 200K then we have nothing more to say...boxing is getting weaker every year.

if he does more than 500K(I dont think so) then boxing will be hot for some time...imagine doing those number and then the Canelo fight.

People will tune in.

[PACnPBFsuck]

Cable TV slowly becoming obsolete. I wonder what all those companies will do once it comes true.

They're just gonna sell people on IPTV, Direct TV just started theirs and sling TV and Playstation VUE have been up already. Doubt Comcast takes this route anytime soon but it's possible.

I've seen other underground IPTV services for $15 a month for 400 channels, includes the premium channels.

[sicko]

When you're putting all fights on PPV even fights that are not PPV Worthy, clearly something is wrong



Peter Nelson seems to be doing the best he can with what he has to work with but he seems to be in a Lose/Lose situation. HBO was at its best BEFORE they took sides, when they would just order the best fights from ALL PROMOTERS. Need to drop all these Exclusive Contracts like they did Pacquiao Contract last year, scrap all that stuff and go back to the OLD FORMAT. Which ever promoter offers the best fights get the HBO Dates and not being stuck show a guy you have a contract with fight a WEAK OPPONENT just because you have that guy under contract

[Mitchell Kane]

This isn't an HBO-Showtime thing.

It isn't a boxing thing.

It's a cord-cutter thing.

ESPN is losing roughly half a million subscribers per month at the latest rate. Fox Sports is losing about a quarter of a million.

Speculation is that ESPN will either be opting out or dramatically bidding lower next time is contracts for NFL, NBA and MLB come up.

The problem for ESPN is a lot of their contracts aren't that old...so they're locked into them for a while.

For example...

Their NBA deal through 2025.
The NFL deal is through 2021.
The MLB deal is through 2021.
The NCAA Football Playoff deal is through 2025.
The SEC deal is through 2025.
The ACC deal is through 2027.

That's a lot of ESPN's money committed long-term while their subscribers are going down.

So far, the ratings competition from FS1 hasn't been that great....ESPN still kills FS1 on the daily ratings...but, I think things will get interesting once FS1 starts showing the Big 10...that could be game-changer in terms of biting into ESPN's rating dominance.

Once that happens, we'll see what ESPN's response is.

[snoopymiller]

ohh sorry, misleading title...
Only time will tell, what will happen with the boxing market, to me , the best way to measure this will be the GGG PPV numbers if it does less than 200K then we have nothing more to say...boxing is getting weaker every year.

if he does more than 500K(I dont think so) then boxing will be hot for some time...imagine doing those number and then the Canelo fight.

People will tune in.

The avg. viewership for HBO boxing is the best way to measure whether HBO will stay in the boxing biz.

[Mitchell Kane]

Cancelled my Hbo subscription last Friday do to the lack of boxing and went with Showtime In order to catch the Frampton/Santa Cruz rematch.

Coulda asked first for a SHO trial...some cable companies will give you months of free HBO or SHO.

[snoopymiller]

When you're putting all fights on PPV even fights that are not PPV Worthy, clearly something is wrong



Peter Nelson seems to be doing the best he can with what he has to work with but he seems to be in a Lose/Lose situation. HBO was at its best BEFORE they took sides, when they would just order the best fights from ALL PROMOTERS. Need to drop all these Exclusive Contracts like they did Pacquiao Contract last year, scrap all that stuff and go back to the OLD FORMAT. Which ever promoter offers the best fights get the HBO Dates and not being stuck show a guy you have a contract with fight a WEAK OPPONENT just because you have that guy under contract

HBO works with ALL promoters right now.

Not sure why people think otherwise.

[al-Xander]

How HBO Makes Money

[DARKSEID]

I have literally zero desire to ever watch klitschko fight.

Every fight I've seen of his made me want to blow my brains out from boredome.

[.:: JSFD26 ::.]

I think HBO has shown us what will happen with many networks. They'll make a live streaming app like HBO has. The bigger ones will be able to do on their own. Most will probably team up with other networks. I do think cable TV is still gonna be around for awhile doe. I mean TV killed the radio more or less, but radios aren't obsolete. And I'd even argue that radio market just pivoted a lil bit too with internet radio & "the new radio" podcasts. So idk that cable is going anywhere, but for sure streaming via internet devices (phones, computers, pads) will become the new main entertainment source for people who formerly lived & died with cable. Thats my theory anyways, we will obviously see.

Maybe obsolete was an exaggeration but I think the only reason why radio exists still is because people listen to it in cars. Who at home really listens to radio except old school sports heads? Radio stations are also coming out with apps so how much longer will radio exist?

They're just gonna sell people on IPTV, Direct TV just started theirs and sling TV and Playstation VUE have been up already. Doubt Comcast takes this route anytime soon but it's possible.

I've seen other underground IPTV services for $15 a month for 400 channels, includes the premium channels.

Man, I really have no clue what IPTV is nor do I what you're talking about so I'm gonna have to give this stuff a read.