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  • #31
    Originally posted by big_james10 View Post
    Amir Khan is the most popular and influential boxer in the world. If you don't believe that, just ask...Amir Khan!


    a mere khunt

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    • #32
      Originally posted by LacedUp View Post
      It's nothing at all like Brook and his "demands". Brook is giving Khan his best ever payday too.

      khan cannot fight whoever he wants. He can choose not to fight Brook, as he has done continuously over the last 5 years making one excuse after the other.

      But he's not a big enough draw or name to dictate or demand anything.
      He is definitely bigger than Brook, that's why Brook is the one doing the chasing for 5 year. Again Khan can fight whoever he wants to, he isn't obligated to fight Brook, Brook is the one backed into a corner with his ridiculous 147 resume over 13 years, am all for the fight but if Brook really wants the fight and a KO win over Khan (Which I know he would get), then he needs to forget about money and take the fight. You can't eat your cake and have it at the same time, Brook hasn't done anything in his career apart from Porter, I use to make excuses for him like yourself when he was with Frank Warren, but now am not going to do that, at least Khan has taken on fights that he shouldn't have in his career, he went to Washington to take on Lamont Peterson, he fought Alexander, he fought Maidana, he fought Garcia... he has fought good names/competition, so am not going to harp on about a fight with Brook when he hasn't really done much but still want the fight.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Ray* View Post
        He is definitely bigger than Brook, that's why Brook is the one doing the chasing for 5 year. Again Khan can fight whoever he wants to, he isn't obligated to fight Brook, Brook is the one backed into a corner with his ridiculous 147 resume over 13 years, am all for the fight but if Brook really wants the fight and a KO win over Khan (Which I know he would get), then he needs to forget about money and take the fight. You can't eat your cake and have it at the same time, Brook hasn't done anything in his career apart from Porter, I use to make excuses for him like yourself when he was with Frank Warren, but now am not going to do that, at least Khan has taken on fights that he shouldn't have in his career, he went to Washington to take on Lamont Peterson, he fought Alexander, he fought Maidana, he fought Garcia... he has fought good names/competition, so am not going to harp on about a fight with Brook when he hasn't really done much but still want the fight.
        He clearly cannot fighting whoever he wants Why do you keep making that ridiculous statement? He can choose not to fight brook as he obviously is continuing to do for whatever ****** reason.

        Yes Khan has fought Lamont Peterson, Maidana and Garcia - That was 2012 and before. Since then he beat Alexander who got done by Porter who Brook beat, struggled with Algieri, struggled with Juio Diaz and got smashed dead by Canelo.

        Meanwhile, Brook headlined 2 succesful PPVs, defended his belt 3 times, sold out O2 twice, fought a great fight against Golovkin in a fight most believed he would get done in in a round.

        Khan is more well-known. Yes. Does he bring better numbers to the table? No. none of his fights are massive these days, he's been on Sky once in the last 5 years ffs. His stock is at an all time low and he hasn't been a world champ for 5 years.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Scholar View Post
          ... a very telling statistic.
          Yes 100% correct.

          I have been saying this for over 2 years now.

          He lost BOTH his titles to guys that many people hate on as either PED user or cherry pickers, yet Khan has done NOTHING since to re-establish himself as a legit champion.

          It is Khan's motor mouth, his twitter and his 'Khan Army' that keep his name in circulation.

          He is the same level of fighter as guys like Berto and Ortiz, a signature win (Maidana for Khan) a couple of big fights (and defeats) and the career is effectively over.

          Khan has done VERY well for himself financially by trolling and trash talking without actually backing anything up.

          In a weird way, you have to admire him for that.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by LacedUp View Post
            He clearly cannot fighting whoever he wants Why do you keep making that ridiculous statement? He can choose not to fight brook as he obviously is continuing to do for whatever ****** reason.

            Yes Khan has fought Lamont Peterson, Maidana and Garcia - That was 2012 and before. Since then he beat Alexander who got done by Porter who Brook beat, struggled with Algieri, struggled with Juio Diaz and got smashed dead by Canelo.

            Meanwhile, Brook headlined 2 succesful PPVs, defended his belt 3 times, sold out O2 twice, fought a great fight against Golovkin in a fight most believed he would get done in in a round.

            Khan is more well-known. Yes. Does he bring better numbers to the table? No. none of his fights are massive these days, he's been on Sky once in the last 5 years ffs. His stock is at an all time low and he hasn't been a world champ for 5 years.
            He can fight anyone he wants that why he isn't fighting Brook yet, he isn't obligated to fight anyone. Brook is obligated to fight spence with the belt he has on him. Can't help you further than that mate.

            If Brook is that successful with headlining (Which he hasn't apart from headlining the GGG fight), why isn't he fighting better names? He couldn't fight Vargas as a unification before the GGG fight came along because of money.

            Since the Porter fight he hasn't done much, before then he didn't do much, am not even going to start comparing Headline fights that Khan has been involved in, I like the fact that he left the UK and went to America to test himself.

            He could have stayed here and build even more on his Olympic success and just fight at the MEN Arena like Ricky Hatton or Joe C did, but he left his comfort zone and took on good opposition.

            Now am not expecting Brook or any boxer to fight tough/stellar opposition all the time, because it's not feasible but at least one in 3/4 fights should be a genuine opponent.

            You cannnot command good money unless you have a good resume or popularity amongst the paying public. Khan has more to lose whenever he gets in the ring with anyone, the only time he had nothing to lose was when he fought Canelo. So if Brook really want this fight I actually think 30% is more than generous, if I would genuinely despise Khan if he gives Brook anymore than that.
            Last edited by Ray*; 01-27-2017, 06:40 AM.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Pan-Africanist View Post
              That bum couldn't beat Algeri convincingly. Didn't last 4 rounds with Danny Garcia. Yet we're supposed to believe this bum can beat Floyd?
              devon alexander beat maidana 10-0 and floyd barely if at all beat him. styles make.....something forgot the phrase

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              • #37
                Atleast Khan takes risks tho. Has some solid wins & some bad knockout losses. Nobody is claiming him to be elite anyway so why try to degrade him? He has alot of heart

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Ray* View Post
                  He can fight anyone he wants that why he isn't fighting Brook yet, he isn't obligated to fight anyone. Brook is obligated to fight spence with the belt he has on him. Can't help you further than that mate.

                  If Brook is that successful with headlining (Which he hasn't apart from headlining the GGG fight), why isn't he fighting better names? He couldn't fight Vargas as a unification before the GGG fight came along because of money.

                  Since the Porter fight he hasn't done much, before then he didn't do much, am not even going to start comparing Headline fights that Khan has been involved in, I like the fact that he left the UK and went to America to test himself.

                  He could have stayed here and build even more on his Olympic success and just fight at the MEN Arena like Ricky Hatton or Joe C did, but he left his comfort zone and took on good opposition.

                  Now am not expecting Brook or any boxer to fight tough/stellar opposition all the time, because it's not feasible but at least one in 3/4 fights should be a genuine opponent.

                  You cannnot command good money unless you have a good resume or popularity amongst the paying public. Khan has more to lose whenever he gets in the ring with anyone, the only time he had nothing to lose was when he fought Canelo. So if Brook really want this fight I actually think 30% is more than generous, if I would genuinely despise Khan if he gives Brook anymore than that.
                  Good post and spot on. For all the "star power" brook has, it gets lost on people that he didn't fight vargas because vargas was going to make more in that fight...and also, outside of porter, the guy has done literally nothing at ww in a 13 year career.

                  As I've stated before, as delusional as khan seems to be, the same can be said about brook

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Sp0rty Cr@ig View Post
                    Atleast Khan takes risks tho. Has some solid wins & some bad knockout losses. Nobody is claiming him to be elite anyway so why try to degrade him? He has alot of heart
                    That's the thing, no one is claiming Khan is elite. He has taken on fights that he could have avoided, he took his loses and his wins and show heart when needed, he definitely paid his dues MORE than Brook. Made his name as 17 year old at the Olympic and then goes to America to fight good names out there. Am not going to sit on him when his potential opponent did nothing in 13 years at the same weight then wants parity because he is the champ.... **** the belts.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by BoxingPugilist View Post
                      Technically, he was reinstated WBA Super Lightwelter after Peterson tested positive, so he last held a World Title on July 14, 2012 - making it roughly 4.5 years, but that doesn't discredit the underlying point the OP was making. I think the more significant development within his career from the past half decade or so has been the perception (true or not) that he has a glass chin. He also has become increasingly difficult to work with from a promotional stand point, as his demands for recognition and payment have overshadowed his actual value and talent in the ring.

                      Khan is a hard one to figure - He's a well known name, but with a lackluster fan base. He was a mega star in the making, who had very public back-to-back loses. He's since gone on to put together a respectable win streak, but then got stopped, albeit to one of the best in the world, two weight classes above his. How would one evaluate him?

                      At this point, both Brook and Khan are in the same boat. Both need a win, a solid win, against someone who's name carries some weight, and they both need to ditch the toying with MW and stick with WW. I don't see their fight as an A/B side, right now, both are kind of B draws, this should be a 50/50 - Champ out second - event. Location can be Khan's choice, but they both need this to remain relevant.
                      A good objective appraisal IMO

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