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  • Bjl12
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    #21
    Pacquiao fights for the people and this is the fight...the people want?

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    • Combat Talk Radio
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      #22
      Originally posted by Mighty_Windir
      This Horn kid hasn't fought anyone with a decent pop and Manny may capitalize on it.

      True, he doesn't go for the kill anymore as he used to, but even so, it was enough to put Bradley and Vargas on the floor
      Yet couldn't stop Bradley over 36 rounds, couldn't stop Vargas over 12...

      Knockdowns don't mean anything anymore. Just ask Andre Ward

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      • Mighty_Windir
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        #23
        Originally posted by revelated
        Yet couldn't stop Bradley over 36 rounds, couldn't stop Vargas over 12...

        Knockdowns don't mean anything anymore. Just ask Andre Ward
        So you want a past-prime Manny Pacquiao to stop a guy who is in his prime and that has never been stopped by anyone after all these years? Find me another guy who has defeated Bradley by the way.

        Believe it or not, knockdowns do mean something. It means you get an extra point in the scorecards if it goes the distance, the very same reason why Pacquiao defeated JMM in the second bout.

        Might as well discredit Hopkins in his career for not stopping anyone since 2005 then

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          #24
          Originally posted by Mighty_Windir
          So you want a past-prime Manny Pacquiao to stop a guy who is in his prime and that has never been stopped by anyone after all these years?
          Kostya Tszyu, well past the sell date, stopped Zab Judah for the first time in his career. You're making excuses.

          Originally posted by Mighty_Windir
          Believe it or not, knockdowns do mean something. It means you get an extra point in the scorecards if it goes the distance, the very same reason why Pacquiao defeated JMM in the second bout.
          Knockdowns mean nothing if you're favored by the judges. It's funny you mention that fight, where Marquez clearly outworked Manny and the only sway is one knockdown, yet somehow Manny only won over one judge and another judge basically had it a draw. Yet Williams/Lara, Canelo/Lara, Kovalev/Ward, Garcia/Herrera, Garcia/Peterson, all ended the opposite way with the wrong person getting the decision under identical circumstances.

          Manny didn't win that fight and you know it.

          Originally posted by Mighty_Windir
          Might as well discredit Hopkins in his career for not stopping anyone since 2005 then
          I discredit Hopkins for this and only this (timestampped to the proper moment):

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            #25
            Originally posted by revelated
            Kostya Tszyu, well past the sell date, stopped Zab Judah for the first time in his career. You're making excuses.



            Knockdowns mean nothing if you're favored by the judges. It's funny you mention that fight, where Marquez clearly outworked Manny and the only sway is one knockdown, yet somehow Manny only won over one judge and another judge basically had it a draw. Yet Williams/Lara, Canelo/Lara, Kovalev/Ward, Garcia/Herrera, Garcia/Peterson, all ended the opposite way with the wrong person getting the decision under identical circumstances.

            Manny didn't win that fight and you know it.



            I discredit Hopkins for this and only this (timestampped to the proper moment):

            You better stop. You are making yourself look silly. Each fight. Each fighter is different. This is boxing. Knockdowns are scored accordingly.

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            • RomanReigns
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              #26
              Another Jesse vargas fight. Pacquiao beats him via UD.

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              • Mighty_Windir
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                #27
                Originally posted by revelated
                Kostya Tszyu, well past the sell date, stopped Zab Judah for the first time in his career. You're making excuses.
                The hell you talking about? Even if it had been 9 years since his debut he was never truly dominated by anyone besides the Vince Phillips fight, 4 years before the Zab bout. Reason he won is because Zab made the mistake of not fully recovering when he got that knockdown, even Jose Feliciano could see that.

                Originally posted by revelated
                Knockdowns mean nothing if you're favored by the judges. It's funny you mention that fight, where Marquez clearly outworked Manny and the only sway is one knockdown, yet somehow Manny only won over one judge and another judge basically had it a draw. Yet Williams/Lara, Canelo/Lara, Kovalev/Ward, Garcia/Herrera, Garcia/Peterson, all ended the opposite way with the wrong person getting the decision under identical circumstances.

                Manny didn't win that fight and you know it.
                Manny won that fight, sure as hell it was a close fight, but I've watch it many times and I get the same score for the Pacman, the knockdown making the difference. Even if you did see it like that, you sure don't mention how Burt Clements screwed Pacman out of a victory in their first bout, giving Manny a 10-7 round when it was supposed to be a 10-6, without mentioning that other blind jackass Guy Jutras who scored it 115-100 for Marquez.

                Hell, if you don't count the sucker punch he gave to Victor Ortiz, Mayweather hasn't knockown anyone since the Sharmba Mitchell fight, that doesn't mean he doesn't have "it" anymore, last I remember he retired undefeated

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                • marikudo
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                  #28
                  Originally posted by Bjl12
                  Pacquiao fights for the people and this is the fight...the people want?
                  Americans want the Crawford fight. The Australians want the Horn fight. The Ukrainians want the Lomachenko fight. So it depends who the people are.

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                  • marikudo
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                    #29
                    Originally posted by revelated
                    Yet couldn't stop Bradley over 36 rounds, couldn't stop Vargas over 12...

                    Knockdowns don't mean anything anymore. Just ask Andre Ward
                    Andre Ward? You should ask Mayweather.

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by RomanReigns
                      Another Jesse vargas fight. Pacquiao beats him via UD.
                      That's how good Pacquiao really is even though he is now in the twighlight of his career.

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