Who has a better resume, Sugar Ray Leonard or Floyd Mayweather?

[djtmal]

SRL is an outdated fighter, that has not done enough to be compared to Floyd, Who made allot of mistakes Floyd DIDNT, he didnt dedicate himself to the sport like Floyd did, and its an INSULT to compare him to Floyd.

No ww in history will knock Floyd. Based on simple facts, 100 out of 100 times, Floyd is factually invinceable. Only way he can lose, is if you go one weight class above his highest weight class, and you can probably find millions of 154lbers and 160lbers who can beat him on size and force (a technicality)

SRL's tall, skinny, and mentally weak behind cannot beat or be competitive with Floyd. Mismatch!

Meanwhile, in the real world:

Ten Greatest Welterweights in Boxing History
1. Sugar Ray Robinson (1940-1965):

2. Sugar Ray Leonard (1977-1997):

3. Henry Armstrong (1931-1945):

4. Thomas Hearns (1977-2006):

6. Kid Gavilan (1943-1958):

7. Joe Walcott (1890-1911):

8. Emile Griffith (1958-1977):

9. Barney Ross (1929-1938):

10. Mickey Walker (1919-1935)



Sugar Ray, solidly @ #2, right behind Robinson, who many consider #1 p4p in any weight class. #4 Hearns solid.

Floyd? Where's Floyd? Anyone seen Floyd? Lol

[MurkaMan]

Meanwhile, in the real world:

Ten Greatest Welterweights in Boxing History
1. Sugar Ray Robinson (1940-1965):

2. Sugar Ray Leonard (1977-1997):

3. Henry Armstrong (1931-1945):

4. Thomas Hearns (1977-2006):

6. Kid Gavilan (1943-1958):

7. Joe Walcott (1890-1911):

8. Emile Griffith (1958-1977):

9. Barney Ross (1929-1938):

10. Mickey Walker (1919-1935)



Sugar Ray, solidly @ #2, right behind Robinson, who many consider #1 p4p in any weight class. #4 Hearns solid.

Floyd? Where's Floyd? Anyone seen Floyd? Lol

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! You blind fool Those bumazz fighters dont come CLOSE to being the fighter Floyd is. What their the best because they are throwback fighters?

Pacman would beat the living snot out of all these men as well. While I dont think his resume is as good as them or as good as Floyd.

But Floyd would not only humiliate all of them in mismatches, but his legacy and resume blows their's out the water.

Floyd, by LIGHTYEARS, is the greatest in the history of professional pugilism and he fought in my era. These fighters aint SHIET Lol

I mean their great, but in comparison to him, they are TRIDDASH!!! Lol

[MurkaMan]

Read my other comments. The Jury is long gone fam Lol

Ok I am going to address some of mess, because most of it, as with most of you Floyd boys, is based on mostly excuses, and speculation, and son, this is the real world:

SRL has bigger names and legends on his resume. For that reason his resume is allot glossier than Floyds. But look at the circumstantial disadvantages of Floyd's resume. He is 15lbs smaller than 80% of his opponents.

Circumstanstial disadvantage? Give me a break. (Excuse)
See what you want to do here is gloss over the names on Srl's resume, but in actuality you could never gloss over Hearns, Duran, Hagler, and Benitez to make Floyd look better. And by your account, I guess Floyd, beating a 15lbs bigger Ortiz, is a greater accomplishment, than Sugar Ray beating Benitez or Hearns, two equally sized, equally skilled fighters. First ballot Hall of Famers and one all-time great. Next


He shouldnt have even been able to win. But not only did he win, he flatout humiliated them on PURE SKILLS. Lets place SRL at the same disadvantages, he would get killed in the ring. Imagine a 37yrs old SRL, facing a guy who is 22yrs old and 15lbs bigger. Some of these fights wouldnt even be sanctioned.

Pure speculation, and whats up with all this imagining s**t, and exactly who did Floyd purely humiliate? A shopworn Oscar? No. A shopworn Shane? Yes. A shopworn Pacquaio?. No. A shopworn Cotto? No. Hatton and Corrales, and neither make anybody's atg anything list. Next.

I think Floyd is BY FAR, LIGHTYEARS, greater and better than SRL. And Imagine Floyd being the same size as SRL, He would humiliate and KO every single person SRL struggled with.

Ok imaginary boy, again, WHO DID FLOYD BEAT THAT SUGGESTS THAT HE IS
LIGHT YEARS BETTER THAN SRL? Please give me a name, any name, and stop with all the speculating.

As far as Floyd and Zab, dude Ray Robinson lost to Lommatta who is an AWFUL fighter. SRL lost to a lightweight in Duran, and look at the size disadvantage Lol

I dont go in on them for losing to fighters they should dominate, because its hard to be consistant. You have off days. But you ignore that at a LATER age, Floyd has faced fighters far more dangerous than Zab, and put on a show.

Dude, Zab was the best pure boxer Floyd faced, but Zab, had already been knocked senseless by Tszyu, and soundly beat by Baldomir. You mention Zab and Duran in the same sentence and I will smack the taste out your mouth.

And you talking about SRL, the GREATEST CHERRYPICKER in the history of the sport? Lol the same man who refused to fight anyone, unless he saw a weakness? The man who fought everyone at the right time? Lol

He beat Benitez and Hearns way before the cherrypicking started, he was already in control of his career, and could have easily ducked both those guys. Next.



Floyd made all that money, and retired to go and spend some of it. But since SRL's scary azz used to retire to duck Hagler, they placed that false trash onto Floyd. Floyd came back at a LATER age, and faced men at greater size, and speed, when he was past prime.

The excuses man I tell ya. Lol
Sugar Ray, ducked moving up to 160 to face Hagler, yup, but Floyd, ducked a hot welterweight division of prime fighters who everybody acknowleges are the guys that would have trumped Sugar Ray, had he fought them at the proper timeline.

In fact, I cant imagine SRL being at the same disadvantages as Floyd and even FACING the opponents Floyd did. SRL wouldnt even fight them.

I couldn't imagine Sugar Ray, holding up a fight for damn near ten years with a smaller guy in Pacquaio, because he was putting cats to sleep, and refused to take a test that didn't even exist at that time, but hey that is just me.

All the young fighters fight to the top of the rank, and whoever has the most standout victory gets Mayweather.

Oh yeah, as long as its a slow mexican, or a shopworn guy. Oh yeah. Cool yeah man bring 'em on. We'll make him look like the beast of all beasts with 24/7 and social media. Lol

Talking about a poll. It was actually COMMENDABLE, that despite Khan winning a poll, Floyd gave the fight to a more deserving fighter. Yet you lied like "Aww he did WRONG by not facing Khan" Khan fought Collazo Lol

The biggest excuse
so far, Khan, represented a stylistic matchup, that Floyd seems to avoid. You know height, reach advantage, and could actually box? Furthermore you excuse over the point that Floyd welched on his own f**king poll.

And SRL fought a ONE HANDED Floyd SR, who is NOT HALF THE FIGHTER JR is, and even though you understand this, you misportraited him as Better and Bigger than Floyd Lol I look at that fight, and imagine how humiliatingly one sided a fight between SRL and Floyd would be. SRL did nothing against a bummy Floyd SR, that told either of us, that he can even edge out a victory against JR. SRL can be as fast as he wants. IDGAF about speed.

One handed Floyd Sr. = excuse
If you couldn't see how Sugar Ray, used ring intelligence to figure Floyd Sr's defense out and get him out of there, I don't know what to tell ya. Floyd Sr., was actually making Sugar miss often, and giving Sugar a hard way to go. I watched that fight when it first aired, and rewatched it several times. Unbiased.

And you talk about Shane, and Corley and whoever else, stunning Floyd. You fool, you just named a bunch of men who LOST To Floyd Lol

SRL would ABSOLUTELY NOT land frequently on Mayweather. His best chances or in the first round, and after that, Floyd has him bodyscanned and know all of the angles his punches would come from. And because of how easy it is to hit SRL, It would be another Floyd show.

Sugar Ray, not only beat, but stopped, a man considered to be one of the best defensive fighters ever in Wilfredo Benitez, who was lineal ww champ, undefeated. THAT suggests to me that he could do the same thing to Floyd. I ask again, for the millionth time, WHO HAS FLOYD BEAT THAT MAKES YOUR ASTRONOMICAL CLAIMS STICK? **** or get off the pot.

SRL is an outdated fighter, that has not done enough to be compared to Floyd, Who made allot of mistakes Floyd DIDNT, he didnt dedicate himself to the sport like Floyd did, and its an INSULT to compare him to Floyd.

No ww in history will knock Floyd. Based on simple facts, 100 out of 100 times, Floyd is factually invinceable. Only way he can lose, is if you go one weight class above his highest weight class, and you can probably find millions of 154lbers and 160lbers who can beat him on size and force (a technicality)

SRL's tall, skinny, and mentally weak behind cannot beat or be competitive with Floyd. Mismatch.

Real talk fam. From here on out, step to me correct with facts, not emotional fanboyism that is fantasy based or we have no discussion.
Resume wise, the ATG's that Sugar Ray has on his resume, suggests to me, and logical thinking, non fanboys who are thorough, that Sugar Ray outranks Floyd on a majority of p4p lists, and would soundly trounce Floyd in a head to head matchup.

Next time quote me, because I know you dont want me to crush ya stoopidazz, which I will continue to do, for your lies. Haha

It is very easy to gloss over SRL beating the fab four, when Floyd being at greater diadvantages flatout BLOWS SRL's resume out the water.

As I stated before, which you continue to ignore, if you placed ANY FIGHTER IN HISTORY at the same disadvantges as Floyd, they would not even WIN. not only did he win, but he HUMILIATES them.

What we have here, is SRL having a glossier resume, with Floyd having a flatout TOUGHER resume. What Floyd has done, simply outshines SRL.

And his skillset in doing so, was almost Godly.

Not almost, but FLATOUT Godly.

And when Floyd faced Ortiz, he was 34yrs old and 150lbs coming off a 16 month layoff. While Ortiz was 24yrs old and 165lbs coming off a victory that created distance between him and the rest of the division(like all of Floyd's opponents)

If you placed SRL at the exact same circumstances as Floyd was, he would LOSE Lol

And Ortiz is just one of a million. All of Floyd's opponents were too big and young to be facing him.

So in retrospect, I dont "have to make Floyd look better" Floyd has earned it himself. All I can do is talk about what I witnessed.

And their is no speculation. SRL would flatout get killed in the ring being at the same circumstantial disadvantages as Floyd. Every fighter in history would. Only Floyd can do what Floyd did. Thats amazing to me, and means more than you want it to.

And your talking about Oscar, and Hatton and Corrales. LOL You fool, these men arent Floyd's toughest foes. Floyd's toughest foes are everyone he faced since returning from 2009, and up. Due to circumstantial disadvantages. Coming off layoffs, to not only win, but humiliate foes. Oscar means nothing to me. It was a money fight.

All those giant young men, and even Shane. You lied and made it seem like he was shot with back to back KO losses LOL FckkouttaHere you fake chump.

Like ALL of Floyd's opponents, he had the standout victory so he got a fight with Floyd.

And stop mentioning Zab. He is NOT a meaningful fight on Floyd's resume. He could've been KO'd a million times before facing Floyd, I could care less. Floyd's tipping point came when he was older, and at great age and size disadvantage against younger bigger men, and WHITEWASHED them.

SRL cherrypicked Duran in the first fight. He knew Duran was too small for him. The first fight was supposed to look like the rematch. But he let Duran, a man who cant even speak english, get in his head. And he lost, and never made an adjustment to win.

In the rematch he stated that he knew Duran wouldnt be at his best, which is why he wanted the fight to be soon.

And thanks for Acknowledging that SRL was a cherrypicker. But you lied about how many times he did it, while giving him credit for NOT cherrypicking a mere TWO opponents Lol

And YES Srl, DUCKED Hagler for five yrs. See their is NO SUCH thing as "Floyd ducking a hot devision" You know it isnt true, yet you keep repeating it Lol. This came from SRL retiring to duck Hagler. So when Floyd retired, they said he did it to duck someone.

When the FACTS, are that Floyd didnt actually face a legit welterweight UNTIL, he returned and was at a LATER age. Not only that, but due to circumstantial disadvantages, his opponents where TOUGHER than the men he "retired to duck"

Simple facts, that show Im right. Pacman is the ONLY opponent that Floyd was shocked by. While Cotto is good, no one looks at him the way people looked at Pac. Even though you understand this, you keep repeating it. I dont know why though.

In fact, I dont think SRL would fight Pacman. Thats not who SRL is. And their was no such thing as a fighter LIKE Pac in the 80's(outdated era) Seeing how SRL reacted to every quality fighter he seen, I have zero doubt that he would NOT face Mayweather OR Pac.

And LOL @ this lie "Oh yeah, as long as its a slow mexican, or a shopworn guy. Oh yeah. Cool yeah man bring 'em on. We'll make him look like the beast of all beasts with 24/7 and social media. Lol"

If you know this is untrue then why say it? Look at the guys Floyd faces, and its plain to see that no one cares if the opponent is old, slow, mexican, african, big, young, small, fast, he is getting whitewashed.

His opponents FOUGHT their way to him. They didnt try out for 24/7 like you claim Lol

Which brings me to my next point. Khan didnt represent a dayumn thing Lol See Khan is just another opponent. If Floyd had faced Khan, it would've seemed like a cherrypick, because unlike Khan, Marcos earned a fight with Mayweather.

Khan, Marcos, Ortiz, Ghost, are all the same. They are simply just another opponent.

Their is no such thing called "Floyd seems to avoid" Floyd avoids/avoided no one, except Pac. I cant find too many fighters, however, that Floyd reacted the way he did toward Pac though.

And Floyd Sr, is a TRASH figher, with one bad hand, and you admit that he made SRL miss Lol Then wtf do you think Floyd Jr is going to do? Floyd Jr would WHITEWASH SRL. But we didnt need that fight to tell us. Its plenty more fights from both opponents to let us know how much sharper, and better Floyd is than SRL.

And you compared Floyd to BENITEZ BUMAZZ?? Lol You mean the same Benitez that LOST to SRL, doing all that bobbing and weaving shiet, when Floyd wouldnt even lose a round to SRL Lol Floyd vs SRL is one sided, yet Benitez lost to him doing all that silly outdated mess.

Floyd, has faced men that are greatly sized and had great youth advantages. And he shouldnt have beat them. But he was so good, that he made them look foolish. This will never happen again, EVER. And no matter how much you lie, it simply cant be ignored. Your a fanboy for the throwback fighters and you are content with lying about them being better than they actually are.

But that attitude keeps the sport from progressing. Look at how much greater and special Floyd is compared to them. He did everything flawlessly, but your actually trying to compare him to fighters of this caliber. You sound more silly than you think you do. Its so much distance between them, yet your REALLY placing an effort in trying to compare them.

Pathetic.

[!! Shawn]

Read my other comments. The Jury is long gone fam Lol

SRL has bigger names and legends on his resume. For that reason his resume is allot glossier than Floyds. But look at the circumstantial disadvantages of Floyd's resume. He is 15lbs smaller than 80% of his opponents.

Doesnt have the power to hurt them. Was at a great age disadvantage against some of the biggest men he faced.

He shouldnt have even been able to win. But not only did he win, he flatout humiliated them on PURE SKILLS. Lets place SRL at the same disadvantages, he would get killed in the ring. Imagine a 37yrs old SRL, facing a guy who is 22yrs old and 15lbs bigger. Some of these fights wouldnt even be sanctioned.

I think Floyd is BY FAR, LIGHTYEARS, greater and better than SRL. And Imagine Floyd being the same size as SRL, He would humiliate and KO every single person SRL struggled with.

As far as Floyd and Zab, dude Ray Robinson lost to Lommatta who is an AWFUL fighter. SRL lost to a lightweight in Duran, and look at the size disadvantage Lol

I dont go in on them for losing to fighters they should dominate, because its hard to be consistant. You have off days. But you ignore that at a LATER age, Floyd has faced fighters far more dangerous than Zab, and put on a show.

And you talking about SRL, the GREATEST CHERRYPICKER in the history of the sport? Lol the same man who refused to fight anyone, unless he saw a weakness? The man who fought everyone at the right time? Lol

When Floyd was a young fighter, everyone said he was the next SRL, and they projected everything SRL did, onto Floyd. Floyd was crucified for all the ducking and cherrypicking SRL did Lol

In fact, imagine Floyd accusing Cotto and Margarita of taking roids! Floyd looked at Pacman like something he never seen before in his life. Cotto was a great fighter, but Floyd didnt look at him like "Man I never seen anything like this in my life"

Floyd made all that money, and retired to go and spend some of it. But since SRL's scary azz used to retire to duck Hagler, they placed that false trash onto Floyd. Floyd came back at a LATER age, and faced men at greater size, and speed, when he was past prime.

SRL wants you to be old and at your worse when he faces you. He said he knew Duran would gain all that weight so he faced him right away. And he used to have all of his rematches when the opponents had aged.

While, with the exception of Pacman, Floyd doesnt care if your old, small, young, giant, he is going to WHITEWASH YOU no matter what.

In fact, I cant imagine SRL being at the same disadvantages as Floyd and even FACING the opponents Floyd did. SRL wouldnt even fight them.

And did you say Khan? HAHAHAHA!!! You lying fool. The reason Khan didnt get to fight Floyd(no excuses) is because like ALL of Floyd's opponents, Madaina had come off a great win over Broner who was a major star on the rise.

Whats the point of LYING when you know all of this? You all lied and said Marcos was a cherrypick, when the fact is, Floyd didnt have to cherrypick Marcos. He is just another opponent, same as Khan. But Floyd traditionally does the SAME THING for every opponent, minus Berto.

All the young fighters fight to the top of the rank, and whoever has the most standout victory gets Mayweather.

Talking about a poll. It was actually COMMENDABLE, that despite Khan winning a poll, Floyd gave the fight to a more deserving fighter. Yet you lied like "Aww he did WRONG by not facing Khan" Khan fought Collazo Lol

And SRL fought a ONE HANDED Floyd SR, who is NOT HALF THE FIGHTER JR is, and even though you understand this, you misportraited him as Better and Bigger than Floyd Lol I look at that fight, and imagine how humiliatingly one sided a fight between SRL and Floyd would be. SRL did nothing against a bummy Floyd SR, that told either of us, that he can even edge out a victory against JR. SRL can be as fast as he wants. IDGAF about speed.

And you talk about Shane, and Corley and whoever else, stunning Floyd. You fool, you just named a bunch of men who LOST To Floyd Lol

SRL would ABSOLUTELY NOT land frequently on Mayweather. His best chances or in the first round, and after that, Floyd has him bodyscanned and know all of the angles his punches would come from. And because of how easy it is to hit SRL, It would be another Floyd show.

SRL is an outdated fighter, that has not done enough to be compared to Floyd, Who made allot of mistakes Floyd DIDNT, he didnt dedicate himself to the sport like Floyd did, and its an INSULT to compare him to Floyd.

No ww in history will knock Floyd. Based on simple facts, 100 out of 100 times, Floyd is factually invinceable. Only way he can lose, is if you go one weight class above his highest weight class, and you can probably find millions of 154lbers and 160lbers who can beat him on size and force (a technicality)

SRL's tall, skinny, and mentally weak behind cannot beat or be competitive with Floyd. Mismatch!

If you want to play the "BUT FLOYD WAS OLD AND TINY" card, then you have to talk about Roberto Duran...

Duran was old and tiny when he beat Leonard. Duran was old and tiny when he almost beat Hagler... etc...

Oh... and he didn't wait for the other guys to get old either...

[BM dnobagaV]

Next time quote me, because I know you dont want me to crush ya stoopidazz, which I will continue to do, for your lies. Haha

It is very easy to gloss over SRL beating the fab four, when Floyd being at greater diadvantages flatout BLOWS SRL's resume out the water.

As I stated before, which you continue to ignore, if you placed ANY FIGHTER IN HISTORY at the same disadvantges as Floyd, they would not even WIN. not only did he win, but he HUMILIATES them.

What we have here, is SRL having a glossier resume, with Floyd having a flatout TOUGHER resume. What Floyd has done, simply outshines SRL.

And his skillset in doing so, was almost Godly.

Not almost, but FLATOUT Godly.

And when Floyd faced Ortiz, he was 34yrs old and 150lbs coming off a 16 month layoff. While Ortiz was 24yrs old and 165lbs coming off a victory that created distance between him and the rest of the division(like all of Floyd's opponents)

If you placed SRL at the exact same circumstances as Floyd was, he would LOSE Lol

And Ortiz is just one of a million. All of Floyd's opponents were too big and young to be facing him.

So in retrospect, I dont "have to make Floyd look better" Floyd has earned it himself. All I can do is talk about what I witnessed.

And their is no speculation. SRL would flatout get killed in the ring being at the same circumstantial disadvantages as Floyd. Every fighter in history would. Only Floyd can do what Floyd did. Thats amazing to me, and means more than you want it to.

And your talking about Oscar, and Hatton and Corrales. LOL You fool, these men arent Floyd's toughest foes. Floyd's toughest foes are everyone he faced since returning from 2009, and up. Due to circumstantial disadvantages. Coming off layoffs, to not only win, but humiliate foes. Oscar means nothing to me. It was a money fight.

All those giant young men, and even Shane. You lied and made it seem like he was shot with back to back KO losses LOL FckkouttaHere you fake chump.

Like ALL of Floyd's opponents, he had the standout victory so he got a fight with Floyd.

And stop mentioning Zab. He is NOT a meaningful fight on Floyd's resume. He could've been KO'd a million times before facing Floyd, I could care less. Floyd's tipping point came when he was older, and at great age and size disadvantage against younger bigger men, and WHITEWASHED them.

SRL cherrypicked Duran in the first fight. He knew Duran was too small for him. The first fight was supposed to look like the rematch. But he let Duran, a man who cant even speak english, get in his head. And he lost, and never made an adjustment to win.

In the rematch he stated that he knew Duran wouldnt be at his best, which is why he wanted the fight to be soon.

And thanks for Acknowledging that SRL was a cherrypicker. But you lied about how many times he did it, while giving him credit for NOT cherrypicking a mere TWO opponents Lol

And YES Srl, DUCKED Hagler for five yrs. See their is NO SUCH thing as "Floyd ducking a hot devision" You know it isnt true, yet you keep repeating it Lol. This came from SRL retiring to duck Hagler. So when Floyd retired, they said he did it to duck someone.

When the FACTS, are that Floyd didnt actually face a legit welterweight UNTIL, he returned and was at a LATER age. Not only that, but due to circumstantial disadvantages, his opponents where TOUGHER than the men he "retired to duck"

Simple facts, that show Im right. Pacman is the ONLY opponent that Floyd was shocked by. While Cotto is good, no one looks at him the way people looked at Pac. Even though you understand this, you keep repeating it. I dont know why though.

In fact, I dont think SRL would fight Pacman. Thats not who SRL is. And their was no such thing as a fighter LIKE Pac in the 80's(outdated era) Seeing how SRL reacted to every quality fighter he seen, I have zero doubt that he would NOT face Mayweather OR Pac.

And LOL @ this lie "Oh yeah, as long as its a slow mexican, or a shopworn guy. Oh yeah. Cool yeah man bring 'em on. We'll make him look like the beast of all beasts with 24/7 and social media. Lol"

If you know this is untrue then why say it? Look at the guys Floyd faces, and its plain to see that no one cares if the opponent is old, slow, mexican, african, big, young, small, fast, he is getting whitewashed.

His opponents FOUGHT their way to him. They didnt try out for 24/7 like you claim Lol

Which brings me to my next point. Khan didnt represent a dayumn thing Lol See Khan is just another opponent. If Floyd had faced Khan, it would've seemed like a cherrypick, because unlike Khan, Marcos earned a fight with Mayweather.

Khan, Marcos, Ortiz, Ghost, are all the same. They are simply just another opponent.

Their is no such thing called "Floyd seems to avoid" Floyd avoids/avoided no one, except Pac. I cant find too many fighters, however, that Floyd reacted the way he did toward Pac though.

And Floyd Sr, is a TRASH figher, with one bad hand, and you admit that he made SRL miss Lol Then wtf do you think Floyd Jr is going to do? Floyd Jr would WHITEWASH SRL. But we didnt need that fight to tell us. Its plenty more fights from both opponents to let us know how much sharper, and better Floyd is than SRL.

And you compared Floyd to BENITEZ BUMAZZ?? Lol You mean the same Benitez that LOST to SRL, doing all that bobbing and weaving shiet, when Floyd wouldnt even lose a round to SRL Lol Floyd vs SRL is one sided, yet Benitez lost to him doing all that silly outdated mess.

Floyd, has faced men that are greatly sized and had great youth advantages. And he shouldnt have beat them. But he was so good, that he made them look foolish. This will never happen again, EVER. And no matter how much you lie, it simply cant be ignored. Your a fanboy for the throwback fighters and you are content with lying about them being better than they actually are.

But that attitude keeps the sport from progressing. Look at how much greater and special Floyd is compared to them. He did everything flawlessly, but your actually trying to compare him to fighters of this caliber. You sound more silly than you think you do. Its so much distance between them, yet your REALLY placing an effort in trying to compare them.

Pathetic.

[Johnwoo8686]

Meanwhile, in the real world:

Ten Greatest Welterweights in Boxing History
1. Sugar Ray Robinson (1940-1965):

2. Sugar Ray Leonard (1977-1997):

3. Henry Armstrong (1931-1945):

4. Thomas Hearns (1977-2006):

6. Kid Gavilan (1943-1958):

7. Joe Walcott (1890-1911):

8. Emile Griffith (1958-1977):

9. Barney Ross (1929-1938):

10. Mickey Walker (1919-1935)



Sugar Ray, solidly @ #2, right behind Robinson, who many consider #1 p4p in any weight class. #4 Hearns solid.

Floyd? Where's Floyd? Anyone seen Floyd? Lol

You use a list of the greatest welterweights (not sure when that list was created since you didn't cite that) but I'm talking about who's greater pound for pound. The boxrec list has Floyd greater pound for pound than Leonard.

Floyd was able to win every major title at welterweight without losing once (in his fourth weight class) while Leonard could not go without a single loss at welterweight. And though Duran was a great lightweight,welterweight was not his greatest class and he still beat Leonard.

[Shape up]

Next time quote me, because I know you dont want me to crush ya stoopidazz, which I will continue to do, for your lies. Haha

It is very easy to gloss over SRL beating the fab four, when Floyd being at greater diadvantages flatout BLOWS SRL's resume out the water.

As I stated before, which you continue to ignore, if you placed ANY FIGHTER IN HISTORY at the same disadvantges as Floyd, they would not even WIN. not only did he win, but he HUMILIATES them.

What we have here, is SRL having a glossier resume, with Floyd having a flatout TOUGHER resume. What Floyd has done, simply outshines SRL.

And his skillset in doing so, was almost Godly.

Not almost, but FLATOUT Godly.

And when Floyd faced Ortiz, he was 34yrs old and 150lbs coming off a 16 month layoff. While Ortiz was 24yrs old and 165lbs coming off a victory that created distance between him and the rest of the division(like all of Floyd's opponents)

If you placed SRL at the exact same circumstances as Floyd was, he would LOSE Lol

And Ortiz is just one of a million. All of Floyd's opponents were too big and young to be facing him.

So in retrospect, I dont "have to make Floyd look better" Floyd has earned it himself. All I can do is talk about what I witnessed.

And their is no speculation. SRL would flatout get killed in the ring being at the same circumstantial disadvantages as Floyd. Every fighter in history would. Only Floyd can do what Floyd did. Thats amazing to me, and means more than you want it to.

And your talking about Oscar, and Hatton and Corrales. LOL You fool, these men arent Floyd's toughest foes. Floyd's toughest foes are everyone he faced since returning from 2009, and up. Due to circumstantial disadvantages. Coming off layoffs, to not only win, but humiliate foes. Oscar means nothing to me. It was a money fight.

All those giant young men, and even Shane. You lied and made it seem like he was shot with back to back KO losses LOL FckkouttaHere you fake chump.

Like ALL of Floyd's opponents, he had the standout victory so he got a fight with Floyd.

And stop mentioning Zab. He is NOT a meaningful fight on Floyd's resume. He could've been KO'd a million times before facing Floyd, I could care less. Floyd's tipping point came when he was older, and at great age and size disadvantage against younger bigger men, and WHITEWASHED them.

SRL cherrypicked Duran in the first fight. He knew Duran was too small for him. The first fight was supposed to look like the rematch. But he let Duran, a man who cant even speak english, get in his head. And he lost, and never made an adjustment to win.

In the rematch he stated that he knew Duran wouldnt be at his best, which is why he wanted the fight to be soon.

And thanks for Acknowledging that SRL was a cherrypicker. But you lied about how many times he did it, while giving him credit for NOT cherrypicking a mere TWO opponents Lol

And YES Srl, DUCKED Hagler for five yrs. See their is NO SUCH thing as "Floyd ducking a hot devision" You know it isnt true, yet you keep repeating it Lol. This came from SRL retiring to duck Hagler. So when Floyd retired, they said he did it to duck someone.

When the FACTS, are that Floyd didnt actually face a legit welterweight UNTIL, he returned and was at a LATER age. Not only that, but due to circumstantial disadvantages, his opponents where TOUGHER than the men he "retired to duck"

Simple facts, that show Im right. Pacman is the ONLY opponent that Floyd was shocked by. While Cotto is good, no one looks at him the way people looked at Pac. Even though you understand this, you keep repeating it. I dont know why though.

In fact, I dont think SRL would fight Pacman. Thats not who SRL is. And their was no such thing as a fighter LIKE Pac in the 80's(outdated era) Seeing how SRL reacted to every quality fighter he seen, I have zero doubt that he would NOT face Mayweather OR Pac.

And LOL @ this lie "Oh yeah, as long as its a slow mexican, or a shopworn guy. Oh yeah. Cool yeah man bring 'em on. We'll make him look like the beast of all beasts with 24/7 and social media. Lol"

If you know this is untrue then why say it? Look at the guys Floyd faces, and its plain to see that no one cares if the opponent is old, slow, mexican, african, big, young, small, fast, he is getting whitewashed.

His opponents FOUGHT their way to him. They didnt try out for 24/7 like you claim Lol

Which brings me to my next point. Khan didnt represent a dayumn thing Lol See Khan is just another opponent. If Floyd had faced Khan, it would've seemed like a cherrypick, because unlike Khan, Marcos earned a fight with Mayweather.

Khan, Marcos, Ortiz, Ghost, are all the same. They are simply just another opponent.

Their is no such thing called "Floyd seems to avoid" Floyd avoids/avoided no one, except Pac. I cant find too many fighters, however, that Floyd reacted the way he did toward Pac though.

And Floyd Sr, is a TRASH figher, with one bad hand, and you admit that he made SRL miss Lol Then wtf do you think Floyd Jr is going to do? Floyd Jr would WHITEWASH SRL. But we didnt need that fight to tell us. Its plenty more fights from both opponents to let us know how much sharper, and better Floyd is than SRL.

And you compared Floyd to BENITEZ BUMAZZ?? Lol You mean the same Benitez that LOST to SRL, doing all that bobbing and weaving shiet, when Floyd wouldnt even lose a round to SRL Lol Floyd vs SRL is one sided, yet Benitez lost to him doing all that silly outdated mess.

Floyd, has faced men that are greatly sized and had great youth advantages. And he shouldnt have beat them. But he was so good, that he made them look foolish. This will never happen again, EVER. And no matter how much you lie, it simply cant be ignored. Your a fanboy for the throwback fighters and you are content with lying about them being better than they actually are.

But that attitude keeps the sport from progressing. Look at how much greater and special Floyd is compared to them. He did everything flawlessly, but your actually trying to compare him to fighters of this caliber. You sound more silly than you think you do. Its so much distance between them, yet your REALLY placing an effort in trying to compare them.

Pathetic.

Fight with floyds disadvantages, you need medical help moron, floyd had all the advantages, putting that aside, when did floyd fight 22 times in one year, oh, he didn't, so how can floyd be compared to a legendary fighter that did, he cannot, those fighter were fighting 15 rounds most of the time, did floyd do that NOOOO grow a brain jnr

[Elroy The Great]

srl grade A wins -
hagler (marvs last fight. some say he won or could have been a draw. i say it was fixed)
''i will not fight that man.''~ srl. changes mind years later.

hearns 2x (1-0-1)
1st fight was epic. one of the greatest fights ever. i rank it above hagler hearns.

duran 2x (2-1)
''no mas''

benitez (supposedly)
lets take a closer look at his key wins;
palomino
duran
and............
benitez fought at least 30 guys with less than 20 wins. 62 fights, almost 1/2 of them gimmes.

hagler was done with the sport and benitez is overrated. 2-1 with duran (3rd fight shouldnt count) and might have been 1-1 vs hearns.

without name calling and exaggerating, who else is there ?!?!?

[Elroy The Great]

those fighter were fighting 15 rounds most of the time, did floyd do that NOOOO grow a brain jnr

are you suggesting may couldnt go 15 ?

did tyson ever go 15 ?
k2 ?
cal ?
margie ?
ssm ?
pac ?
mab ?
erik ?
tua ?
lennox ?

on and on..............

are these guys scrubs because they didnt fight in the 15 rd era ?!?!?!?

[Elroy The Great]

when did floyd fight 22 times in one year, oh, he didn't,

many ATGs never fought that many people in a single year.
1) compare all hofers by that standard.
2) i wonder if those 22 guys were clowns or LEGIT contenderS