Does the ggg hate stem from Abel?

[P.K Dionysus]

Part of it is Abel, part of it are his fans(I don't really see a reason to hate a fighter cause of his fans, but I know some people do).

A lot of it isn't hate though. Saying you want him to fight better competition isn't hate, you just want what you perceive as hype to be justified.

True dat.

The fan base thing is genuinely hatred, but the better competition thing is a fact.

Although truth be told, if people hate, they'll find reasons to hate. So even if he has a miraculous 2017, where he beats Canelo, moves up to fight and beat Ward, Kovalev, etc, his haters will still find reasons to hate him.

I dislike him myself, but I'll give him props if and when he starts fighting opposition that warrants the hype.

[Robbie Barrett]

he would have got a hell of a lot more hate if he beat ward. But now hes officially on wards CV its fine. Answer me this, why do all the guys on here who love slick fighters so much, not seem to be fans of lomachenko?

Kovalev didn't get hate before Ward even moved to LHW. There doesn't seem to be many fans of Lomachenko at all TBH. You can always flip that question too and say why are fans of Lomachenko not fans of other "slick" fighters?

[A.K]

A lot of people who view the whole Mayweather-Pacquiao thing through a racial prism see Golovkin/Kovalev/Lomachenko fans as ex-Pacquiao supporting white supremacists.

I can get people being annoyed with some the hype Golovkin has gotten, but I don't think that itself justifies the obsessive hatred for him you see on here. That's better explained by him being another of these anti-Mayweather fighters.

Golovkin is an aggressive power-puncher. Floyd is defensive and not a big hitter. Golovkin is on HBO, Floyd's fans hate HBO. Golovkin is white, that bothers some of Floyd's fans for the reasons outlined above. Golovkin is also a foreigner, which also seems to annoy some of them. Finally Golovkin doesn't play a bad guy role, whereas Floyd was a heel.

The most obsessive Floyd fans are often the most obsessive Golovkin haters. And any discussion on a guy like Kovalev who ticks all the same boxes brings out the same bile.

The same works in reverse too of course. Some of the hate Ward gets is all this stuff but in a different direction.

I honestly noticed this, and I'm a Floyd fan but I just don't get why some people act like they can't be fans of certain fighters. It's a individual sport you would think national or racial bias wouldn't exist.

[Madison Boxing]

Kovalev didn't get hate before Ward even moved to LHW. There doesn't seem to be many fans of Lomachenko at all TBH. You can always flip that question too and say why are fans of Lomachenko not fans of other "slick" fighters?

cause lomachenko is slick and he fights aggressively too, more exciting than someone like ward or crawford. And for a start he didnt take a terminally ill man to court (ward), and he shouldnt be behind bars for committing a terrible crime (crawford). Just a shame that in this day and age people cant look past the colour of someones skin when deciding which fighters they choose to support.

[Redd Foxx]

Not just Abel, but the fans to defend every moronic thing Abe says. Gennady and Sanchez are two separate people. These same fanboys cry at me for "hating on Golovkin" because I disagree with them and Abe. I like Golovkin.

[Madison Boxing]

And this answers the original question. Taken from respected boxing journalist dougie fischer from ring magazine.


'An African-American boxing fan (that I respect) asked me what I meant by “the demographic” (by the way, it’s not a term that I coined – I was content to continue calling that segment of fandom “a__holes”) via Twitter earlier this week. My answer (which had to be brief thanks to Twitter’s word limit) was “Racially biased African-American fans that are uninformed jerks.”

The definition ruffled some feathers, which is understandable. Some African Americans don’t believe black people can be racist. I disagree. Some feel it’s OK be racially biased or flat-out racist if you’re black because of the oppression that Africans/African-Americans have suffered in the U.S. since ****** were brought over. Again, I disagree. Racism is wrong, period.

And some were merely frustrated because some non-black fans who happen to be a__holes labeled them as part of “the demographic.” And I get that. But the bottom line is that if you’re a black fan whose boxing opinions are not racially biased or racially motivated, you are NOT in the “the demographic.” If anyone says you are (in a weak attempt to intimidate you or win an argument on social media or message boards) when you clearly aren’t, well, they’re part of a different “demographic.”

If you’re a black fan who knows his s__t and isn’t rude or needlessly antagonistic, you’re not part of “the demographic.”

“The demographic” is not made up entirely of Floyd Mayweather Jr. or Andre Ward fans. Those boxers have plenty of fans from other ethnic groups that are every bit as annoying their black supporters (they even have rational fans). “The demographic” is easy to spot. They only offer their opinions when supporting (or defending) a black boxer or when ripping a non-black boxer. They’re going to support/defend Al Haymon and the PBC to the bitter end, and they’re going to crap on HBO, Top Rank, Golden Boy Promotions, Main Events and any other boxing organization currently not controlled by Haymon. They literally see the boxing world (and probably the rest of the world) as black and white. Black is good, white sucks. A member of “the demographic” will Tweet that Golvokin has never fought a decent opponent and in his very next Tweet proudly defend Deontay Wilder’s opposition. You get the picture. I can go into more detail but I’m waiting to get an email from an African-American fan on the subject. (And for the record, I welcomed the fans I debated with on Twitter to email the mailbag with their questions and concerns about the term, and I’m proud to say that the Twitter discourse was respectful.)

My question is that is this type of bias against a guy completely uncommon in boxing or is it usual for someone in GGG’s position to face resistance because he’s not African American? It’s not unheard of. Just like white America had a massive collective hard-on for Jack Johnson back when the heavyweight championship was the biggest prize in sports (and the sole domain of white-skinned pugilists), once boxing’s most coveted title became the domain of African Americans, prideful black fans learned to be antagonistic to white heavyweight contenders during Muhammad Ali’s reigns (and beyond). One of my earliest boxing memories is of a lady in church going off on Jerry Quarry (her tirade shocked and confused me because of its intensity and because I had no idea she followed boxing – she really wasn’t a fan, she was black and proud and Ali had become a cultural hero by the 1970s). Black boxing fans I knew in the 1980s and ’90s did not have nice things to say about Gerry Cooney or Tommy Morrison (who I liked and supported, which many of my black friends found annoying). They more I cheered for Morrison, the more they booed his white ass. And, man, when he would get knocked out (which happened, often in brutal fashion) there was a celebration. LOL.

The hate/racial bias for GGG (which is real) seems out of control because of social media. It’s like all of the s__t talk about a fighter that used to be confined to barber shops and locker rooms has been put into a very far-reaching public forum. The backlash against GGG is, in my opinion, a product of his fast rise to prominence (in both the media and the sport), his HBO affiliation/support, and his look/demeanor.

Golovkin, who was unknown to most of the fans who rip him today prior to his HBO debut in September 2012, climbed the middleweight rankings (and eventually the pound-for-pound lists) during a time when the sport’s two most talented African-American boxers Ward and Mayweather were struggling (Ward with his inactivity; Mayweather with general public acceptance). Mayweather and Ward carry the mantle of black pride for a significant number of African-American fans because they are undefeated, dominant champions, and were, at one time, Nos. 1 and 2 in the mythical pound-for-pound rankings. Being a middleweight, Golovkin is a potential opponent for Mayweather, who was the junior middleweight champ, and Ward, the former super middleweight champ. That gets fans talking about potential fights, which sparks arguments when Golovkin fans opine that their man can beat the two best black boxers in the sport. (Plus Mayweather and Ward’s diehard fans are already miffed that GGG is rated ahead of Ward on most P4P lists.) Of course, arguments on social media can easily and quickly turn ugly, and racial epithets are never far behind.

Golovking-WBC-throne_mailbagAdding fuel to the GGG hate is the media love for the Kazakhstan-born fighter. He’s the darling of the boxing press (as Oscar De La Hoya and Canelo Alvarez have discovered). I was looking at BoxingScene.com’s homepage on Tuesday night (about 10:45 p.m. PT) and found NINE headlines with Golovkin’s name in it. Any news about Golovkin, it seems, is fit to post. LOL. This media love and HBO’s usual marketing push for a contract fighter has created an added backlash from GGG haters because they feel like he’s being crammed down their throats.

And finally, although mixed with Asian (and hailing from a country in Central Asia), Golovkin’s skin is white and he’s got a clean-cut look – short hair (sometimes with a part in it), no tattoos. He’s also polite and respectful outside of the ring. He just smiles, offers his sound bites and stays out of the usual mud-slinging between rival fighters, promoters and managers. This drives cretins crazy. (Trust me, I’m an expert on a__hole boxing fans.) They want the fighters they hate to engage with them, sink down to their level. GGG won’t do it, and it pisses a lot of them off. They actually like it when a white-skinned fighter they piss on spews some s__t back, which is one of the reasons Krusher Kovalev isn’t as hated on as much as GGG.'

[BraceYoSelf86]

I don't hate any fighter or any person in general. I do dislike GGG based on his unwarranted hype based on lack of quality opposition, while in the same breath the same people hyping him will completely trash a fighter that has accomplished way more as a professional boxer. That has always annoyed me as a fan. With that being said I don't wish a loss on GGG because I dislike him, I just want his annoying rabid fans to STFU on how great he is without proving it against the quality of opposition he needs to beat in order to be considered truly great.

I've learned a long time ago the popular opinion isn't always right. Especially this day and age where people can be so vocal on social media where nationality/ethnicity and personalities play a big role on who people pull for. Boxing greatness IMO isn't a popularity contest, a fighter isn't greater based on their personality or how many people like them for their style.

[iamboxing]

Guys duck him and people twist it like ggg is scared when he's shopping for a megafight and all facts back this

Fixed it for you

[Rip Chudd]

And this answers the original question. Taken from respected boxing journalist dougie fischer from ring magazine.


'An African-American boxing fan (that I respect) asked me what I meant by “the demographic” (by the way, it’s not a term that I coined – I was content to continue calling that segment of fandom “a__holes”) via Twitter earlier this week. My answer (which had to be brief thanks to Twitter’s word limit) was “Racially biased African-American fans that are uninformed jerks.”

The definition ruffled some feathers, which is understandable. Some African Americans don’t believe black people can be racist. I disagree. Some feel it’s OK be racially biased or flat-out racist if you’re black because of the oppression that Africans/African-Americans have suffered in the U.S. since ****** were brought over. Again, I disagree. Racism is wrong, period.

And some were merely frustrated because some non-black fans who happen to be a__holes labeled them as part of “the demographic.” And I get that. But the bottom line is that if you’re a black fan whose boxing opinions are not racially biased or racially motivated, you are NOT in the “the demographic.” If anyone says you are (in a weak attempt to intimidate you or win an argument on social media or message boards) when you clearly aren’t, well, they’re part of a different “demographic.”

If you’re a black fan who knows his s__t and isn’t rude or needlessly antagonistic, you’re not part of “the demographic.”

“The demographic” is not made up entirely of Floyd Mayweather Jr. or Andre Ward fans. Those boxers have plenty of fans from other ethnic groups that are every bit as annoying their black supporters (they even have rational fans). “The demographic” is easy to spot. They only offer their opinions when supporting (or defending) a black boxer or when ripping a non-black boxer. They’re going to support/defend Al Haymon and the PBC to the bitter end, and they’re going to crap on HBO, Top Rank, Golden Boy Promotions, Main Events and any other boxing organization currently not controlled by Haymon. They literally see the boxing world (and probably the rest of the world) as black and white. Black is good, white sucks. A member of “the demographic” will Tweet that Golvokin has never fought a decent opponent and in his very next Tweet proudly defend Deontay Wilder’s opposition. You get the picture. I can go into more detail but I’m waiting to get an email from an African-American fan on the subject. (And for the record, I welcomed the fans I debated with on Twitter to email the mailbag with their questions and concerns about the term, and I’m proud to say that the Twitter discourse was respectful.)

My question is that is this type of bias against a guy completely uncommon in boxing or is it usual for someone in GGG’s position to face resistance because he’s not African American? It’s not unheard of. Just like white America had a massive collective hard-on for Jack Johnson back when the heavyweight championship was the biggest prize in sports (and the sole domain of white-skinned pugilists), once boxing’s most coveted title became the domain of African Americans, prideful black fans learned to be antagonistic to white heavyweight contenders during Muhammad Ali’s reigns (and beyond). One of my earliest boxing memories is of a lady in church going off on Jerry Quarry (her tirade shocked and confused me because of its intensity and because I had no idea she followed boxing – she really wasn’t a fan, she was black and proud and Ali had become a cultural hero by the 1970s). Black boxing fans I knew in the 1980s and ’90s did not have nice things to say about Gerry Cooney or Tommy Morrison (who I liked and supported, which many of my black friends found annoying). They more I cheered for Morrison, the more they booed his white ass. And, man, when he would get knocked out (which happened, often in brutal fashion) there was a celebration. LOL.

The hate/racial bias for GGG (which is real) seems out of control because of social media. It’s like all of the s__t talk about a fighter that used to be confined to barber shops and locker rooms has been put into a very far-reaching public forum. The backlash against GGG is, in my opinion, a product of his fast rise to prominence (in both the media and the sport), his HBO affiliation/support, and his look/demeanor.

Golovkin, who was unknown to most of the fans who rip him today prior to his HBO debut in September 2012, climbed the middleweight rankings (and eventually the pound-for-pound lists) during a time when the sport’s two most talented African-American boxers Ward and Mayweather were struggling (Ward with his inactivity; Mayweather with general public acceptance). Mayweather and Ward carry the mantle of black pride for a significant number of African-American fans because they are undefeated, dominant champions, and were, at one time, Nos. 1 and 2 in the mythical pound-for-pound rankings. Being a middleweight, Golovkin is a potential opponent for Mayweather, who was the junior middleweight champ, and Ward, the former super middleweight champ. That gets fans talking about potential fights, which sparks arguments when Golovkin fans opine that their man can beat the two best black boxers in the sport. (Plus Mayweather and Ward’s diehard fans are already miffed that GGG is rated ahead of Ward on most P4P lists.) Of course, arguments on social media can easily and quickly turn ugly, and racial epithets are never far behind.

Golovking-WBC-throne_mailbagAdding fuel to the GGG hate is the media love for the Kazakhstan-born fighter. He’s the darling of the boxing press (as Oscar De La Hoya and Canelo Alvarez have discovered). I was looking at BoxingScene.com’s homepage on Tuesday night (about 10:45 p.m. PT) and found NINE headlines with Golovkin’s name in it. Any news about Golovkin, it seems, is fit to post. LOL. This media love and HBO’s usual marketing push for a contract fighter has created an added backlash from GGG haters because they feel like he’s being crammed down their throats.

And finally, although mixed with Asian (and hailing from a country in Central Asia), Golovkin’s skin is white and he’s got a clean-cut look – short hair (sometimes with a part in it), no tattoos. He’s also polite and respectful outside of the ring. He just smiles, offers his sound bites and stays out of the usual mud-slinging between rival fighters, promoters and managers. This drives cretins crazy. (Trust me, I’m an expert on a__hole boxing fans.) They want the fighters they hate to engage with them, sink down to their level. GGG won’t do it, and it pisses a lot of them off. They actually like it when a white-skinned fighter they piss on spews some s__t back, which is one of the reasons Krusher Kovalev isn’t as hated on as much as GGG.'

When all else fails, cry racism

[HURTFEELINGS]

Its because "fans" on here, during the Mayweather ERA, were saying Floyd wasnt fighting anyone and belts meant nothing, then when this white guys comes along, then belts and unification meant something, while his resume was far, far, far worse than anthing Floyd did. And theres nothing but the obvious that brown people have experienced forever to explain it. You cant say because of all the KO's consecutively because wilder had a longer streak in the heavyweight division, and those same people were hating on him and his resume was still better than ggg's, every other fighter would've been accused of ducking Ward, but ggg was not, by these same fans.White people are known for their hatred and racism more than anything because of their history of using it (hatred and racism). And what else explains their flip flopping on things and/or opinions so fast after Mayweather retired, and you see many blatant racist posts on this site. It has nothing to do with Abel. Look at the hate Canelo gets for not fighting someone who is in a higher weight class but ggg gets excuses for doing the same with Ward?