Joe calzaghe v Jeff Lacy- How great a win was it?

[Tony Trick-Pony]

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Let's not forget that Joe had tremendous trouble with his hands. Had his hands always been healthy, he would have done even better than he did. And besides, when he fought Jones was 39- not 49 and Joe himself was 36. Three years difference with about the same number of fights. I'm not seeing the utter travesty you speak of. He clowned him and it was fun. Hell, get over it.

[robertzimmerman]

And Roy never clowned anybody? Never wore a microphone while fighting against a bum? Never did more showing out than actually fighting the best himself? The double standards on here are ridiculous. He out-Roy's Roy and you want to say it's a disgrace. Well, I saw it as entertainment. Roy got showed up, man. And come on, man. Roy Jones didn't always fight the best either on purpose. He sped his way up to light heavy when there was nobody there while there were plenty of tougher fights at super middleweight. Sure, Joe had his faults but you treat Roy like he was an angel. Far from it.

Roy normally only clowned people if there'd been a heated build up, where guys like Pazienza and Telesco had been trash talking.


The point is:

Joe clowned a guy who he never would have fought when he was anywhere near his best, and a guy who he had labelled as being shot since 2004.

That was pathetic.

Do you really think he'd have dared to have done that against the versions of Roy who'd iced Hill and Griffin?

That's not entertainment. It's an act of cowardice.

When Roy was fighting the likes of Ruiz and Tarver, Joe was fighting guys like Tocker Pudwell and Kabary Salem. It's a joke.


Roy sped up to LHW when he couldn't unify the SMW division against Benn and Liles.

When Joe was faced with the same problem in the early 00's when Ottke wouldn't fight him, what did he do? Did he move up to LHW? No. He remained where he was, even though there were no big fights on the horizon. Instead of pursuing the likes of Tarver, he struggled to make weight to fight guys like Mger Mkrtchyan.

[hugh grant]

It was a great win for Joe.

I'm English. But I'm looking from the perspective of the U.S. fans.

Before he'd fought Lacy, he was relatively unknown in the U.S.

Only around 7 of his fights had been aired on Showtime, against the likes of: Rick Thornberry, David Starie, Omar Sheika, Mario Veit, Richie Woodhall, Will McIntyre, and Charles Brewer.

Well the Americans must think its a greast win for JC. Considering they rated lacy so much

[robertzimmerman]

Let's not forget that Joe had tremendous trouble with his hands. Had his hands always been healthy, he would have done even better than he did. And besides, when he fought Jones was 39- not 49 and Joe himself was 36. Three years difference with about the same number of fights. I'm not seeing the utter travesty you speak of. He clowned him and it was fun. Hell, get over it.

I genuinely had sympathy for Joe's stop-start career due to injuries. But he deserves zero credit for only moving up to LHW in 2008, to fight a faded version of Roy.

When they fought, Roy was weeks away from his 40th birthday. Yes, Joe was 36 himself. But he was coming off of 2 of his best wins, and was still an elite level fighter. Whereas Roy was 3-3 in his previous 6, not having had a top level win for exactly 5 years. Did you not see Johnson bully him and knock him cold over 4 years earlier? How on earth does Joe deserve credit, again, especially as he'd openly admitted that Roy had been shot since 2004 beforehand? Nobody can praise that.

If you think it was fun, you've got issues.

[robertzimmerman]

Well the Americans must think its a greast win for JC. Considering they rated lacy so much

Yes, they must have done.

And it was.

Again, I was just pointing out why Lacy was such a big favourite.

It wasn't just because a large number of people had fell in love with Lacy's style. Again, it was also due to Joe being a bit of an unknown entity at the time.

[M Bison]

wtf ... hype jobs don't have the resume Ward does. a hype job ran through the Super Six tournament barely losing a round? beat the breaks off Chad Dawson, Barrera and defeated the boogeyman Kovalev. if that's a hype job then fck it everybody is.

Calzaghe's biggest win is Kessler, who he had to figure out and beat in a hotly contested match. what did Ward do to Kessler? completely washed him.

Ward > Calzaghe... not debatable.

Ward clinched through the entire super six tournament he never put on a showcase of talent that puts him out as what would be regarded as a world talent.

Clinched 88 times and headbutted constantly against Kessler
Would have lost If the fight was referee'd fairly because Kessler is a good clean fighter who fights by the rules

Had a very hard close fight against a guy who really isn't that special in Carl Froch

Got schooled by Sergey Kovalev who was regarded as just a puncher but in that fight Kovalev exposed a lot of Ward's frailties when Ward isn't effectively holding, Kovalev used the Ward fight to prove that Ward wasn't that good and that it was Kovalev who was the real star.

Tbh Ward resume is overrated the same thing that happened with Ward i.e. you rating the people he beat much higher than they should be is what happened with Lacy but you likely don't remember that.

Oh I hate to burst your bubble but Calzaghe beat Kessler within the rules, fairly, Ward never did that so I'm afraid you'll have to retract your statement.
Calzaghe is clearly more talented and classier than Ward is in the ring and outside of it also.

[Tony Trick-Pony]

I genuinely had sympathy for Joe's stop-start career due to injuries. But he deserves zero credit for only moving up to LHW in 2008, to fight a faded version of Roy.

When they fought, Roy was weeks away from his 40th birthday. Yes, Joe was 36 himself. But he was coming off of 2 of his best wins, and was still an elite level fighter. Whereas Roy was 3-3 in his previous 6, not having had a top level win for exactly 5 years. Did you not see Johnson bully him and knock him cold over 4 years earlier? How on earth does Joe deserve credit, again, especially as he'd openly admitted that Roy had been shot since 2004 beforehand? Nobody can praise that.

If you think it was fun, you've got issues.

I was at the Johnson fight. So yes. I saw it. Haha. Yeah, ok. Anybody else would enjoy the fight but you turn it into a soap opera. You've got the issues, pal.

[DeLorean]

Eubank vs Calzaghe... Eubanks was a late replacement for Steve Collins, way past his best days and weight drained.

Kessler vs Calzaghe.. this is Joe's greatest win, needed a few rounds to figure out Kessler. Ward toyed and embarrassed Kessler in a wipeout.

Hopkins vs Calzaghe.. most saw Bernard as the winner. Joe retired to simply avoid being pressured into a rematch.

Jones Jr vs Calzaghe.. Joe admitted openly before the fight Roy was finished and well past it. he avoided prime Jones like the plague. great fun fight to watch but does nothing for a legacy. Jones had already been KO'd twice.

Lacy vs Calzaghe.. great win.

Bika vs Calzaghe.. scorecards aside it was a tough fight for Joe. Ward completely outclassed and dominated Bika.

Reid vs Calzaghe..still debated as to who won.

ranking Joe's best wins
1. Kessler 2. Lacy 3. Eubank* 4. Hopkins* 5. Reid* 6. Jones*

[DeLorean]

Ward clinched through the entire super six tournament he never put on a showcase of talent that puts him out as what would be regarded as a world talent.

Clinched 88 times and headbutted constantly against Kessler
Would have lost If the fight was referee'd fairly because Kessler is a good clean fighter who fights by the rules

Had a very hard close fight against a guy who really isn't that special in Carl Froch

Got schooled by Sergey Kovalev who was regarded as just a puncher but in that fight Kovalev exposed a lot of Ward's frailties when Ward isn't effectively holding, Kovalev used the Ward fight to prove that Ward wasn't that good and that it was Kovalev who was the real star.

Tbh Ward resume is overrated the same thing that happened with Ward i.e. you rating the people he beat much higher than they should be is what happened with Lacy but you likely don't remember that.

Oh I hate to burst your bubble but Calzaghe beat Kessler within the rules, fairly, Ward never did that so I'm afraid you'll have to retract your statement.
Calzaghe is clearly more talented and classier than Ward is in the ring and outside of it also.

why should I read any further? you actually believe that fight was close... and if Froch isn't that special then you just took a dump on Calzaghe's resume..because his best win is Kessler, and Froch is way better than him..

Calzaghe is classier than Ward outside the ring huh.. you must be the guy that sniffs ******* at parties. so much class.

Ward ran through Abraham, Bika, Kessler, Froch and Dawson barely losing rounds. his win over Kovalev ****s on anything Calzaghe ever accomplished.

Ward > Calzaghe.. better fighter and a better role model than a cokehead.

[M Bison]

why should I read any further? you actually believe that fight was close... and if Froch isn't that special then you just took a dump on Calzaghe's resume..because his best win is Kessler, and Froch is way better than him..

Calzaghe is classier than Ward outside the ring huh.. you must be the guy that sniffs ******* at parties. so much class.

Ward ran through Abraham, Bika, Kessler, Froch and Dawson barely losing rounds. his win over Kovalev ****s on anything Calzaghe ever accomplished.

Ward > Calzaghe.. better fighter and a better role model than a cokehead.

Let me keep it in short because I won't bother with you much.

Froch Vs. Ward = Scorecards and the constant Ward clinching

Joes best win is Kessler = Well a prime Kessler beat Carl Froch and was cheated out of a clean fight against this so called world class Ward don't need to say anymore.

Calzaghe and ******* = He was retired plus didn't Ward take a terminally Ill man to court I wonder which is worse of the two?

Kovalev ****s on anything Joe has done
Joe doesn't have any robbery victories on his record

Done, no more replies I'm done with you, you're obviously new to boxing.