Would Roy Be The Greatest If He Retired After Beating Ruiz????

[robertzimmerman]

DM was a standoff between promotions that wanted the fight here and Germany. DM was scheduled to fight Telesco to build up his brand for a Jones fight in the USA but when DM wasnt happy with the money, he pulled out. Square Ring Inc., offered DM a co-main event on a Roy Jones HBO card, DM's team didnt want to be considered as on the undercard and declined. Jones was PFP #1 in the world and was ready to fight DM but DM's team were quite difficult to negotiate with. Murad Muhhamad even flew out to Germany to speak with DM's team and the money split for a fight there was in favor of DM.

Jones also offered Frankie Liles a 1 million dollar pay day and Liles turned it down. I have yet to see a fighter who has fought everyone and in fact some of the guys that Jones didnt fight, didnt fight each other. Not everyone fights everyone.

And Toney is a BAD example of losing weight. Toney did not bulk up by adding muscle to fight in another division and then come back down. Toney dropped body fat which is not the same as dropping muscle weight.

Jones had a solid chin in his prime and went through the AM's having fought guys with power and the Pro's having fought guys with power and it was not until he was past his prime when he aged rapidly by making a HUGE error in judgement by forcing his body to cannibalize muscle by dropping weight fast that he was never the same. Tarver got under his skin and he dropped weight in a dangerous manner. His ego got in the way of better judgement. Jones was finally spent as a top flight fighting machine. History is littered with durable fighters who were knocked out when they tried to lose weight in the wrong fashion and too fast. Punch resistance drops, a fighter ages their body, and the result is disastrous.

An outstanding post.

[robertzimmerman]

Of course not. Roy lost multiple fights.

Floyd never lost and retired 49-0.

Only one TBE.

Reread the thread title.

[KillaCamNZ]

Personally, when it comes to rating P4P all-time, I'm more interested in a fighters peak, than what they do at the back-end of their career. RJJ today doesn't change what RJJ once was.

The greats are all revered because of their prime - why should their post-prime take away from that?

[robertzimmerman]

and also Eubank and Benn stuck to the UK and didn't want anything to do with RJJ and Benn....RJJ avoiding someone is the biggest insult going....The guy fought whoever was put before him.. **** this revisionist bull****

Benn genuinely wanted to fight Roy in 1995. But Eubank is on record admitting that he was more than content to just face his WBO mandatories, and that it would have been suicide to have fought Roy in his prime.

[robertzimmerman]

If he would of defended his Heavyweight title against Lennox Lewis, or Evander Holyfield! and won ether of these fights, he would of possibly gone down as the greatest pound for pound fighter ever!

I doubt Roy Jones would of fought Lennox Lewis and beat him, but i actually think stylistically he would of fancied a fight with Evander Holyfield at that specific point in his career........

That fight would of been a better fight to market, and exciting while it lasted.

Roy tried to fight Evander twice. Once in 1998, and after Ruiz in 2003.

In 1998, Evander wasn't interested, as he saw himself being in a no-win position at the time.

In 2003, Evander's attorney, Jim Thomas, met with Don King, and Roy's advisor, Murad Muhammad. But they couldn't reach a compromise on a number of things. One of which was the upside of the PPV, but the main stumbling block being money that was owed to Evander by King from a previous fight. When King wouldn't pay up, Evander was furious and he told Thomas to withdraw from all negotiations. And that's the reason he went on to fight James Toney instead.

[robertzimmerman]

RJJ was a great cherry picker..that's all. I rank De La Hoya above him... but skills wise he's definitely top 3.. resume weak as hell doe.

He wasn't a cherry picker, and he has a very good resume.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Roy tried to fight Evander twice. Once in 1998, and in after Ruiz in 2003.

In 1998, Evander wasn't interested, as he saw himself being in a no-win position at the time.

In 2003, Evander's attorney, Jim Thomas, met with Don King, and Roy's advisor, Murad Muhammad. But they couldn't reach a compromise on a number of things. One of which was the upside of the PPV, but the main stumbling block being money that was owed to Evander by King from a previous fight. When King wouldn't pay up, Evander was furious and he told Thomas to withdraw from all negotiations. And that's the reason he went on to fight James Toney instead.

Decent that....

I was not aware of those events.

[robertzimmerman]

Decent that....

I was not aware of those events.

No problem.

As you know, boxing politics prevent a lot of great fights from taking place.

People always list a bunch of guys who Roy missed. But when you do the research, most of them weren't viable for one reason or another.