Comments Thread For: WBC's New Rule - Fighter's Father Can NOT Be Chief Second

[hhs661]

Wtf kinda shįt is that

[NEETzsche]

You got that study? I can't believe the sample size would be big enough to make that study credible. I'm not saying I don't believe you I'm just saying I don't think there are enough father/son partnerships to make the study credible. I'm sure they included amateur too. I just want to look at the sample size of the study and a cpl other things

I think this is the thread I was thinking of: http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=709134

[Motorcity Cobra]

I think this is the thread I was thinking of: http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=709134

That's a damn good thread by Batfrett

"“The California Athletic Commission conducted a preliminary inquiry into California ring injuries since 1980.

It was discovered that four of the seven most serious head injuries reviewed–including all three California ring-related deaths–involved fighters whose fathers worked their corners.

Richard DeCuir, the commission’s executive director, admits the examination was not scientific–“The numbers have not been scrubbed,” he said–yet the findings struck him as alarmingly disproportionate, given the best estimates that only 5%-7% of professional fighters are trained by relatives.”"

[MDPopescu]

I think this is the thread I was thinking of: http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=709134

Why didn't you quote it here?...

"Connection between deaths in the ring and fathers in the corner?
In the commentary on the tragic 2005 Leavander Johnson/Jesus Chavez fight, which claimed the life of Leavander Johnson, one of the announcers said that there are two things that seem to be "constant" in recent fights where a boxer was seriously - sometimes permanently - injured:

1. The fighter who is dealing out the damage has punching power, but not enough to knock his opponent out quickly, which allows for far more cumulative damage to take place than a speedy KO would.

2. The fighter taking the punishment "has his father in the corner as his trainer, constantly sending him back out to take more punishment."

The announcer actually said, in the 10th round, that he hoped that wouldn't be the case for Leavander Johnson, and the fight was stopped early in the 11th round; however, Leavander Johnson died 5 days later from his injuries.

A little research on my part turned up an earlier article from the LA Times, which listed other fighters who were killed in their bouts and had their fathers in their corners:

Johnny Owens (1980)
Kiko Bejines (1983)
Rico Velazquez (1988)
Jimmy Garcia (1995)
Fernie Morales (1991)*

More recently, in 2009, Francisco "Paco" Rodriguez was killed in the ring, with his father in the corner.

Has there ever been a serious analysis into the possible correlation between permanent injury/deaths in the ring, and having one's father in the corner? Do we know if there is actually a statistical correlation between these two factors?

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*) Fortunately, Morales actually survived, but suffered a blood clot in his brain, had to have emergency brain surgery to remove it, and never fought again. Sadly, all the others on the list died from their injuries."

Last edited by Batfrett; 04-26-2016 at 05:59 AM.

[Motorcity Cobra]

Why didn't you quote it here?...

I think this is the thread I was thinking of: http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=709134

The guy who wrote the thread said he's going to do a follow up.

Well, I got in touch with Joseph Svinth, who created and maintains the Manuel Velazquez Fatality Collection. He gave me some tips and was kind enough to email me his raw data and explain the methodology.

It's a lot to go through - the data begins in 1724. I'm trying to focus on 1980-2016, and even that small window includes 300 names; he suggests that the only way to find out which of those 300 guys had their fathers in their corners is to google each name, one by one...

I'll start working through it tomorrow.

[Tom Cruise]

What complete bs.

[BrometheusBob.]

This is their reasoning:



But it seems like the opposite would be true with your father in the corner. He'd act in the best interest of his son and be he main one who doesn't want to see his son hurt.

That's what you'd think would happen but in practice that doesn't often seem to be the case. For every Mayweather-Corrales type stoppage there are way more that have to be stopped by other people involved. It may be that they have a more vested interest in their child's success than other people do, or maybe they feel less willing to give up on their child and hold onto hope that they can come back longer than others do, or maybe they don't want to have to deal with the tension that such a decision will create in their relationship after the fight is over. I'm not sure.

That being said I don't know if I necessarily agree with the WBC's decision, as the ref already serves as an independent party to both fighters that is capable of stopping the fight.

If however they end up conducting a legitimate scientific study that demonstrates that having relatives in the corner leads to greater damage then I will agree with it. To me hard data speaks more than anything else, so if they can produce the data to defend their decision I will be on board.

[MrRolltide91]

Smh.......

[Combat Talk Radio]

WBC pass ruling that will prohibit fathers from being chief-second to their son

Matt Christie
December 13, 2016

AT their Annual Convention today, the WBC passed a ruling that will prohibit fathers being chief-second to their son in WBC-regulated contests. The reasoning – delivered by President Mauricio Sulaiman – behind the move was over concerns that the father may not act in the best interest of their son if he’s in a difficult fight, and may let the bout go on longer than necessary.

While no commencement date was announced, it could have implications on the March 4 unification showdown between WBC welterweight champion Danny Garcia – famously trained by his father, Angel Garcia – and WBA boss, Keith Thurman. It is not clear if the WBA’s involvement would allow the ruling to be enforced.

Other partnerships this could affect include Floyd Mayweather Jnr and Snr, should “Money” ever return, and Chris Eubank Jnr and Snr – who today announced an ITV pay-per-view event at super-middleweight – should they compete in WBC title fights.

Fathers will still be permitted to train their sons for WBC-regulated contests, and allowed in the corner, but not as the chief cornerman and decision-maker.

The motion was met with some resistance from the inaugural trainers committee that consists of Abel Sanchez, Joe Gallagher, Eddie Mustafa Muhammad, and Stacey McKinley, but was ultimately passed by the committee.

This is not the first time the WBC have discussed this ruling, with talk of enforcing it as far back as 2009.

Read more at: http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/wbc-...-to-their-son/

But...why?

Because Robert Guerrero got beat by an actual cab driver. That's one reason why.

Then you have "English" costing Jr the Golovkin fight (allegedly).

Floyd "Fighting Like You SCARED!" Senior.


These dads need to take a step back.

In TBE's case I actually support it if Uncle Roger is healthy enough to do it. He's a much better influence than Sr.



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[BrometheusBob.]

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