Comments Thread For: Kirkland Signs For Cotto Fight - Catch-Weight of 153-Pounds

[aboutfkntime]

Here's a clueless poster: Manny fought Cotto at 145 - Cotto weighed in at 146 - the fight before and Manny weighed 140 and 142 the fights before.....

there had to be at least 1 asshat who was willing to somehow argue that Pacquiao's weight manipulations were acceptable, and yet Cotto's are not

you dumbass, you should have just called Cotto lame, and left it there..... attempting to justify Pac's bullshht just makes you look like an idiot

dude, Pacquiao totally refused to face a healthy Cotto TWICE !

after Cotto won a title at 154, he was Pacquiao/Top Rank's first choice opponent..... but Manny demanded that Cotto fight him at 147, and Cotto refused to fight lower than 150.....

..... despite already beating Cotto, and despite saying that he will fight anyone at 150..... the 147 demand was a show-stopper for Pacquiao, who walked away from the table and fought Bradley LMAO

http://www.boxingscene.com/cotto-i-n...acquiao--48928

so forget that 1lb bullshht, especially considering the fact that you were crying like a little girl over Canelo's 1lb bullshht at 155..... if 1lb is nothing, then why were you crying about Canelo?

you guys couldn't lie straight in bed

..... Margo at 151 - Margo fought at WW the fight before that and Manny fought Marquez at 43 or 44 (don't feel like looking it up) and that was to Marquez' advantage.....

you ignorant azzhole, it is plainly obvious that fight should have happened at 140..... Roach/Ariza have stated for years that Pac's best weight is 140, and that he has to eat 6 meals a day including 3am/6am shakes just to remain at welter..... and Roach himself echoed those same comments again recently.....

http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/fred...its-at-140lbs/

they dragged Marquez up TWO divisions, instead of one

the ONLY reason why they fought Marquez was because they thought that he was old and slow and that Pac would blow him away at welter..... that 145lb catchweight - the one that you insist benefited Marquez - was more than Pacquiao had ever weighed..... so stop being ****** kid, that was a setup

..... and Algieri - 144 - who fought at 140 before. 4 catch weight fights total and none were draining any opponents considering their previous fights.....

there is a name for that, it is called " manny-weight "

Pac pulled the big guys down, and he dragged the little guys up

and it was not 4 cw's..... I remember someone pointing out years ago that Pac had like 8 out of 9 fights that were somehow affected by weight manipulation, one way or the other

I told everyone that manny-weight was a nasty precedent

..... now, everyone who argued with me back when Pac was doing his thing, are crying their eyes out because Cotto/Canelo decided to use the same gameplan

Rios/Algieri/Marquez should have happened at 140, but your assertion that Pac did those guys a favor by giving them a catchweight that he had never exceeded himself..... is highly amusing LMAO

..... Cotto hardly ever fights at the weight limits anymore at all - drains people every time for an advantage and even weak and injured opposition at that.

agreed

just like Pac did for the last half of his career

I told everyone that manny-weight was a nasty precedent

#Asidedoe

[aboutfkntime]

Cotto truly has turned into something very pathetic hasn't he. He just wants to drain people to make it easier on himself which is sad. The catch-weight king indeed.

I would just about bet my life that you are a Pacquiao fan LMAO

[Sid-Knee]

I would just about bet my life that you are a Pacquiao fan LMAO

I wish you would bet your life because I can't stand that piece of ****. Great fighter but pure scum as a person.

[rrayvez]

Here's a clueless poster: Manny fought Cotto at 145 - Cotto weighed in at 146 - the fight before and Manny weighed 140 and 142 the fights before, Margo at 151 - Margo fought at WW the fight before that and Manny fought Marquez at 43 or 44 (don't feel like looking it up) and that was to Marquez' advantage and Algieri - 144 - who fought at 140 before. 4 catch weight fights total and none were draining any opponents considering their previous fights.

Cotto hardly ever fights at the weight limits anymore at all - drains people every time for an advantage and even weak and injured opposition at that.

interesting you refer to people as clueless yet it seems you are the one who lack the knowledge. 1. Roach flat out said that the reason cotto does catchweights was because of what him and pac did in their fight vs him. 2. Yes cotto weighed 146 vs clottey but that doesn't mean he wasn't weight drained. How many times have you seen a fighter make a weight for 1 fight and then have trouble making it in their very next fight. Molina just missed weight vs Crawford this weekend and he made that weight in his last fight vs provodnikov. Also, who's to say cotto didn't struggle with the weight vs clottey. He didn't exactly look impressive in that fight and moved up in Weight immediately after he faced pac. 3. Cotto pulling this catchweight is lame but by far, Pacquiao was the one who made it the thing to do on a regular basis by pulling the a side rank.

[AnimalisticMeth]

Cotto used to be a fighter...he is now a business man.
Legacy be damned.

Kirkland used to be a fighter ...he is now a human punching bag for sale...to the highest bidder.

Cotto is the A side....Kirkland is the Z side.
Cotto can do whatever he wants.
Heck he can even ask for an ounce of blood from Kirkland and he'll get it.

Making this a PPV is like giving true fans the FINGER!

The only justice would be for Kirkland to land a HAIL MARY and knock Cotto into retirement where he belongs.

Nothing wrong with wishing, even if it is wishful thinking!!

Dude they have no choice but to make it PPV. Roc Nation owes Cotto 15 million dollars. HBO wont pay 15 million on free ppv. They need ppv to atleast go even. They made the fight in texas because jerry jones gave them a huge site fee of over 10 million. In the end roc nation is a business and they need to atleast go even on their investment. The idea was marquez but that could not happen. Bradley would take too big of a cut so they were left with kirkland and petterson. Kirkland agreed to only 1.5 million and basically less than 30% of the ppv cut.

[SunSpace]

lol stop hating, guys; like it or not, Cotto vs Kirkland is the most exciting fight in boxing's foreseeable future.

I don't disagree with the premise that Cotto should be fighting other elite fighters, but what can Roc Nation do if no other promoter wants to work with them (Top Rank, for example)?

Cotto wanted both Marquez and Bradley, but Top Rank wanted none of it. Not to mention that, beyond not wanting to do business with Roc Nation, Top Rank is still mad at Cotto for signing with Jay Z in the first place, which also adds to their reluctance.

At the end of the day, Cotto isn't as heavy as most guys, so he's obviously not going to let Kirkland pull off a "Canelo" easily by ballooning up to light heavyweight without any resistance. (We all know Kirkland will still balloon up, but a pound is a pound. It's one less pound that Kirkland can use for the "Canelo" tactic, so that's a smart move by Cotto. Let's not forget what Pacquiao made Cotto do, either.)

And, in any case, we can at the very least expect a Kirkland levels above the one we saw versus Canelo, due to addition of Wolfe as a trainer once again.

We can all hate the fight, but there's no denying it'll be worth watching.

[bigdunny1]

This will be a tough fight to sell. First off Kirkland last fight was on not on PPV and he was coming off a winning streak fighting at his proper weight against Canelo. Cotto is not as big a draw as Canelo and kirkland now coming off a devastating knockout and you wright draining him? This fight will flop nobody is paying ppv prices for this. Cotto making money anyway because that crazy contract roc nation paid him. Roc nation will be the ones losing money.

[slimPickings]

Dude they have no choice but to make it PPV. Roc Nation owes Cotto 15 million dollars. HBO wont pay 15 million on free ppv. They need ppv to atleast go even. They made the fight in texas because jerry jones gave them a huge site fee of over 10 million. In the end roc nation is a business and they need to atleast go even on their investment. The idea was marquez but that could not happen. Bradley would take too big of a cut so they were left with kirkland and petterson. Kirkland agreed to only 1.5 million and basically less than 30% of the ppv cut.

Interesting info to say the least.

The only thing that has me scratching my head since I am not privy to the politics of this business is why would ROC Nation owe a past prime Cotto at the tail end of his career that much money in the first place.

Interesting nevertheless.

[aboutfkntime]

lol stop hating, guys; like it or not, Cotto vs Kirkland is the most exciting fight in boxing's foreseeable future.

I don't disagree with the premise that Cotto should be fighting other elite fighters, but what can Roc Nation do if no other promoter wants to work with them (Top Rank, for example)?

Cotto wanted both Marquez and Bradley, but Top Rank wanted none of it. Not to mention that, beyond not wanting to do business with Roc Nation, Top Rank is still mad at Cotto for signing with Jay Z in the first place, which also adds to their reluctance.

At the end of the day, Cotto isn't as heavy as most guys, so he's obviously not going to let Kirkland pull off a "Canelo" easily by ballooning up to light heavyweight without any resistance. (We all know Kirkland will still balloon up, but a pound is a pound. It's one less pound that Kirkland can use for the "Canelo" tactic, so that's a smart move by Cotto. Let's not forget what Pacquiao made Cotto do, either.)

And, in any case, we can at the very least expect a Kirkland levels above the one we saw versus Canelo, due to addition of Wolfe as a trainer once again.

We can all hate the fight, but there's no denying it'll be worth watching.

GOOD post..... but I see Cotto as old, on the slide, and already looking at retirement..... I don't think it's the best fight that could be made, but it aint the worst fight that could be made either..... I can't see him fighting Charlo/Lara/Andrade

not as bad as Golovkin/Brook, Canelo/Smith, or Chavez vs anyone..... that's for sure

[Don Pichardo]

You can say what you want, but at least Canelo ain't draining guys down, in fact Canelo helps guys by letting him not cut that much.

But Cotto has recently made bigger guys go down.

Canelo just cuts himself down 20-30 pounds so that he can fight welters. He's the bigge con.